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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 2:41 am
Yeah, I agree. Sure, the world will always have problems. But what kind of solution do you have in mind for this perceived threat? Or are you just brainstorming about the possible future?
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 2:59 am
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tantric Wrote:Part of the problem is that whenever I mention the idea of science and secular humanism taking on religious characteristics, the resident proponents blow a gasket.
I dunno why that might be, do you always start out saying ignorant things about science, conflate atheism, science and science education, and when it's pointed out to you, you claim you were just joking? Also, you make a lot of assumptions about people's motivations. All that tends to not go over so well.
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 3:29 am
Yeah, I'm not in any way "blowing up" or jumping to the defence of some cult. As always I'm calmly typing away, being helpful when I can, and pointing out errors of thinking where appropriate. Taking disagreement with your stance as confirmation that it is true is not a sound method.
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 3:52 am
tantric Wrote:Part of the problem is that whenever I mention the idea of science and secular humanism taking on religious characteristics, the resident proponents blow a gasket. It is quite simple. Science uses evidence, empirical data and logic. Religions use "goddidit". They have nothing in common.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 3:56 am
I'm the most humanist person ever, and I'll prove it even if means killing every last person on the planet.
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 3:57 am
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Sounds reasonable. Well at least you'll have something that keeps you occupied...
(December 28, 2014 at 3:52 am)IATIA Wrote: tantric Wrote:Part of the problem is that whenever I mention the idea of science and secular humanism taking on religious characteristics, the resident proponents blow a gasket. It is quite simple. Science uses evidence, empirical data and logic. Religions use "goddidit". They have nothing in common.
Yeah, important distinction: with science, the population knows the method which is used by the "priests", knows how to in principle check their work even if technical specialized knowledge might be missing, and the population knows the criteria for when scientific work is good or bad. That's completely different from religion.
The only context where I have observed something even vaguely resembling what tantric claims is in long-closeted atheists who flock around people like Richard Dawkins, who with their rhetoric provide for them something like an ersatz identity in which science plays the role of a symbol, a shibboleth, a
knowledge which empowers them to free themselves, at least in their thinking, from their religious prison. While I am completely sympathetic to that, sometimes overly naive notions about science and scientific proof can be encountered in that context. But that whole thing is so 2007...
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 4:15 am
I think the only way to make sure society recovers from religion is for everyone to be exactly equal.
Except me. I get loads of money.
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 4:25 am
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Anyways, good morning. You are up early this fine saturday... 
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 4:32 am
(December 28, 2014 at 3:56 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm the most humanist person ever, and I'll prove it even if means killing every last person on the planet.
You're not nearly as nice and PC as I am, and I'm sure I'll whip your Limey ass showing you exactly what-for.
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RE: Evolutionary biology adopting religious traits
December 28, 2014 at 4:43 am
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Oh yeah? Well I'm the humblest person ever. I'm the most outrageously amazingly talented humbler you've ever had the luck to come in contact with. Let's get ready to humble!
Yeah I'm up early, trying to get my brain in gear. If it has any gears, I forget.
Good morning all
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