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December 30, 2014 at 3:34 pm
(December 30, 2014 at 2:58 pm)abaris Wrote: Can we run a quick IQ test on this thread? I'd really like to know how far beneath average it is.
This site needs IQ tests before people join.
if they fail they are sent to a website to do some reading and studying.
If they pass the test they are welcome in if they some how fail it again
they will keep getting sent back to read and study.
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December 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm
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(December 30, 2014 at 1:42 pm)Lambert Wrote: Well you know, I do not even know what theism is if that makes the atheist position possible for you. A theists believes in God or gods, let's say. If the concept God is not prior by nature to me how would I know what God is and what the very word God means if I cannot identify with it. Would my first question not be: "you believe in what?" unless the not-visible concept God is already prior to me by nature right from the start?
It's interesting and not a little revealing that you balk at well-defined terms such as "theism" because you don't know what it means, yet you have no problem with telling us what atheism means.
Are you saying that the concept of gods need to exist a priori in order to have a position about them? If so, would you accept the same argument regarding Star Wars fans and the existence of Darth Vader (or Dartford Valerie, as my autocorrect insists)?
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December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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(December 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (December 30, 2014 at 1:42 pm)Lambert Wrote: Well you know, I do not even know what theism is if that makes the atheist position possible for you. A theists believes in God or gods, let's say. If the concept God is not prior by nature to me how would I know what God is and what the very word God means if I cannot identify with it. Would my first question not be: "you believe in what?" unless the not-visible concept God is already prior to me by nature right from the start?
It's interesting and not a little revealing that you balk at well-defined terms such as "theism" because you don't know what it means, yet you have no problem with telling us what atheism means.
Are you saying that the concept of gods need to exist a priori in order to have a position about them? If so, would you accept the same argument regarding Star Wars fans and the existence of Darth Vader (or Dartford Valerie, as my autocorrect insists)?
Sorry I have never watched a Star War show and do not know who Darth Vader is or what he represents.
To help you here, I just Googled the word theism and I do not agree with this this idea of Theism
Quote:Theism, in the field of comparative religion, is the belief that at least one deity exists.[1] In popular parlance, the term theism often describes the classical conception of God that is found in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Satanism.
The term theism derives from the Greek theos meaning "god". The term theism was first used by Ralph Cudworth (1617–88).[2] In Cudworth's definition, they are "strictly and properly called Theists, who affirm, that a perfectly conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things".[3]
On top of it all the writer does not even know what eternity is. But there is a lot more wrong about it because Christianity is also taking the word Christian one -ity to far. Christianity does not exist with no being to be or I AM would be not be the end in which God and Lord God are one and the same.
He further is all warped about this "perfect conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things." None of that of that is correct and clearly is not part of anything that I hold to be true.
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December 30, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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(December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: Sorry I have never watched a Star War show and do not know who Darth Vader is or what he represents.
Change this you should, or uneducated in pop culture you will be.
tip: he's one of the baddies
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December 30, 2014 at 5:25 pm
(December 30, 2014 at 5:19 pm)Alex K Wrote: (December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: Sorry I have never watched a Star War show and do not know who Darth Vader is or what he represents.
Change this you should, or uneducated in pop culture you will be.
tip: he's one of the baddies
No no he had good intentions the dark side did have good intentions but used the force to do bad to do good. The rebels in a since were doing the right thing trying to keep what peace that was left in the galaxy.
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December 30, 2014 at 5:29 pm
What? Can you say that again with more dotses and commatses?
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December 30, 2014 at 5:52 pm
(December 30, 2014 at 11:17 am)Lambert Wrote: (December 30, 2014 at 3:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Fascinating.
So you're saying your whole church would be surprised at any link with Jesus? Who would you most identify with? Mary? The father? The spirit? The priest?
Not at all. Jesus was the spokesperson in the Gospels and that is all he was. I then added that the Gospels show us how transformation is done, or at least how it is supposed to be done because they make known the difference between what we call heaven and hell here on earth with Matthew and Mark being just opposite to Luke and John to make this difference known to us.
So important now is doing it right and therefore it is never a good idea to read the gospels with curious eyes because that can send the believer hell in a hurry, I suppose. This would be why Catholics just left Jesus hanging there as part of the act but not to say that he died for us then.
Mary is not part of the Trinity but comes to the fore after the collapse of the trinity itself. This would be when the father and son become one and the spirit is obviously redundant fromq then on.
So Jesus is/ was not God. So you are non trinitarian. Interesting.
As a Protestant, I believe that heaven and hell are right here, right now here on earth too. This is common to my denomination and many others too.
But what is the transformation and how does it happen? Are you talking about the Pentecost?
So Jesus combines with the father and possibly the spirit and the Trinity ends. You know I'd hate not to have direct access to the source and only have a third party feeding me this information. Does anyone besides the protest have direct access to God? Yours seems a detached belief like Judaism and Islam. Only a select few get to tell you what the main man wants. In Pentecostalism we're all saints.
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December 30, 2014 at 7:55 pm
(December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: Sorry I have never watched a Star War show and do not know who Darth Vader is or what he represents.
Right, so instead of even attempting to grasp my point (fnarr fnarr) you handwaved it away. Classy.
Ok, swap out Star Wars for some other work of fiction of which you're aware, and Darth Vader for any character from it you wish. Are you still saying that this character and the fictional Universe in which it resides must exist a priori in order to have an opinion on it?
(December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: To help you here, I just Googled the word theism and I do not agree with this this idea of Theism
It's not me that needs help with definitions of basic words, thank you. You say you don't agree with it but you don't say why. Since one is not a mindreader, could you expand on this please?
(December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: On top of it all the writer does not even know what eternity is. But there is a lot more wrong about it because Christianity is also taking the word Christian one -ity to far. Christianity does not exist with no being to be or I AM would be not be the end in which God and Lord God are one and the same.
He further is all warped about this "perfect conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things." None of that of that is correct and clearly is not part of anything that I hold to be true.
I know a lot of theists who would be prepared to argue with you on thiese points, but as far as I'm concerned from an atheist's perspective, none of you have ever demonstrated any truth value of them.
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December 30, 2014 at 7:57 pm
(December 30, 2014 at 7:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: Sorry I have never watched a Star War show and do not know who Darth Vader is or what he represents.
Right, so instead of even attempting to grasp my point (fnarr fnarr) you handwaved it away. Classy.
Ok, swap out Star Wars for some other work of fiction of which you're aware, and Darth Vader for any character from it you wish. Are you still saying that this character and the fictional Universe in which it resides must exist a priori in order to have an opinion on it?
(December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: To help you here, I just Googled the word theism and I do not agree with this this idea of Theism
It's not me that needs help with definitions of basic words, thank you. You say you don't agree with it but you don't say why. Since one is not a mindreader, could you expand on this please?
(December 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lambert Wrote: On top of it all the writer does not even know what eternity is. But there is a lot more wrong about it because Christianity is also taking the word Christian one -ity to far. Christianity does not exist with no being to be or I AM would be not be the end in which God and Lord God are one and the same.
He further is all warped about this "perfect conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things." None of that of that is correct and clearly is not part of anything that I hold to be true.
I know a lot of theists who would be prepared to argue with you on thiese points, but as far as I'm concerned from an atheist's perspective, none of you have ever demonstrated any truth value of them.
Intellectual dishonesty at its finest from @OP
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December 30, 2014 at 7:59 pm
(December 30, 2014 at 7:57 pm)dyresand Wrote: Intellectual dishonesty at its finest from @OP
No, his posts just give the impression of honest thickness.
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