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RE: How powerful is god?
January 8, 2015 at 3:03 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 9:17 am)robvalue Wrote: Thank you 
I don't expect any honest answers, but we'll see. Every so often I get surprised. This is what I keep talking about, making a coherent falsifiable claim about God. This is just dealing with the coherent bit. After that there is still falsifiable, before you even get to trying to present evidence.
You all want an answer, here it is, only stupid people can't see that omniscience and free will are not locked together. I know you guys are stupid does that mean you will always be stupid, probably, but with a lot of hard work you could escape.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 8, 2015 at 3:09 pm
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(January 8, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: You all want an answer, here it is, only stupid people can't see that omniscience and free will are not locked together. I know you guys are stupid does that mean you will always be stupid, probably, but with a lot of hard work you could escape.
GC
GC, does god know, before anyone is conceived, if their final destination will heaven or hell?
Yes or no?
Dritch and Lek, got an answer?
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 8, 2015 at 3:15 pm
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They're not locked together? What does that mean?
Ah. Insults. OK. Anyone have an honest answer that isn't gibberish and ad hominem?
I can assure you that I'm incredibly stupid, but you still have to defeat my arguments.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 8, 2015 at 3:24 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 3:09 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: You all want an answer, here it is, only stupid people can't see that omniscience and free will are not locked together. I know you guys are stupid does that mean you will always be stupid, probably, but with a lot of hard work you could escape.
GC
GC, does god know, before anyone is conceived, if their final destination will heaven or hell?
Yes or no?
Dritch and Lek, got an answer?
If god is omniscient and all knowing of the past present and future you have no free will. Like in the story of moses to get his people free god intervened and hardened the pharaohs heart(so he messed with free will). If god knows this and has created a place where only ass kissers go I.E. Heaven and a place were the "Others" go to be tortured and punished. Instead of having that redundant system he could create souls and drop them into a heaven b hell. But no you have to live a full life full of pain misery and even heart break and the traumatic loss of a loved one. If that is not a cruel god i don't know what is..
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 8, 2015 at 3:29 pm
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If God is outside time and omniscient (not that this makes any sense at all) then he can "see" your whole life, beginning to end. It's static to him, and since he made you and controls everything, he has set that whole path himself, every detail. Including where you end up.
Don't take that route, it's utterly stupid. Just admit God is not omniscient, it would be better for everyone. Why the holy fuck would you ever think such a thing, except that he told you so? And he's a proven liar.
The huge brain explosions we're seeing from GC show the sheer level of cognitive dissidence required to pretend free will and omniscience are both possible. Don't do it to yourself guys.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 8, 2015 at 3:40 pm
GC talking to someone more logical the he. 
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 9, 2015 at 2:28 am
(January 8, 2015 at 3:40 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: GC talking to someone more logical the he.
That's right and the ruling authority has put me in charge over the logical one. 
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 9, 2015 at 3:13 am
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God is a little Nancy boy with all the power of a dead slug. I'm literally more scared of opening my post than anything he could do anything to me. Go ahead, shut me up God, support your theists here. They are here argueing your case and yet you don't swoop down to help them, you let me rattle on like a prat and call you a cock sucker. How long will you sit on the sidelines while people actually KILL each other over their perceptions and misunderstandings about you? I can only assume that you like the violence.
Do something yourself, stop people speaking for you, and killing in your name.
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