Detecting design or intent in nature

[Chili]

If everything needs a cause, what caused the first cause?

Truth. It was called water early in Gen.1.

[robvalue]

What caused truth?

[Chili]

Nature does not have a mind, but we do.
We may have red hair too, and get a shave,
and then we no longer have red hair,
So obviously we are not our hair.

^^^^^^^^^^^What the?

None of that steamy pile of a metaphor explains anything.

If a Muslim typed what you just did to claim Allah to be the one true god, would you blindly become a Muslim?

Never, because Mohammad had his angels mixed up and obviously does not know who Gabriel is.

[Brian37]

If everything needs a cause, what caused the first cause?

Truth. It was called water early in Gen.1.

The bible is not a science textbook, it is antiquated book of myth written by scientifically ignorant people. Genesis alone is a joke claiming men magically popping out of dirt, women magically popping out of a man's rib, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes on top of treating the sun and moon as separate sources of light.

Quoting any holy book, not just yours, is what is known as "circular reasoning".

Science is not holy book dependent. If you think Christians are the only to try to co op science to prop up invisible sky heros you would be wrong.

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^^^^^^^^^^^What the?

None of that steamy pile of a metaphor explains anything.

If a Muslim typed what you just did to claim Allah to be the one true god, would you blindly become a Muslim?

Never, because Mohammad had his angels mixed up and obviously does not know who Gabriel is.

Let me clear things up for you.

There is no Allah, no Yahweh, no God of the bible, no Vishnu, no Thor, no Apollo, naddda........There are merely humans who like what they believe because facing our finite reality is scary to them.

[robvalue]

What caused the thing that caused truth? Saved you an answer there.

[Chili]

Sure is

Infinity is an odd concept. Say there's a postman who is delivering mail to the houses down an infinitely long street. If he chooses to go up one side of the street first, he will never get to any of the houses on the other side. But if he covers both sides of the street by alternating, he will eventually get to any house, no matter how far down the street.

I'd stop trying to find out who is responsible for this universe, unless you are trying to lodge a complaint against them.

But the universe does not exists or there would not be room for me to be. The universe is just empty space in the same way as eternity is empty time that is not known until I get there and then will be the continuity of infinity.

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Truth. It was called water early in Gen.1.

The bible is not a science textbook, it is antiquated book of myth written by scientifically ignorant people. Genesis alone is a joke claiming men magically popping out of dirt, women magically popping out of a man's rib, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes on top of treating the sun and moon as separate sources of light.

Quoting any holy book, not just yours, is what is known as "circular reasoning".

Science is not holy book dependent. If you think Christians are the only to try to co op science to prop up invisible sky heros you would be wrong.

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Never, because Mohammad had his angels mixed up and obviously does not know who Gabriel is.

Let me clear things up for you.

There is no Allah, no Yahweh, no God of the bible, no Vishnu, no Thor, no Apollo, naddda........There are merely humans who like what they believe because facing our finite reality is scary to them.

I think you have that just backwards because humans only think they are.

[The Grand Nudger]

....puff puff pass, Chief.

[Brian37]

Sure is

Infinity is an odd concept. Say there's a postman who is delivering mail to the houses down an infinitely long street. If he chooses to go up one side of the street first, he will never get to any of the houses on the other side. But if he covers both sides of the street by alternating, he will eventually get to any house, no matter how far down the street.

I'd stop trying to find out who is responsible for this universe, unless you are trying to lodge a complaint against them.

But the universe does not exists or there would not be room for me to be. The universe is just empty space in the same way as eternity is empty time that is not known until I get there and then will be the continuity of infinity.

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The bible is not a science textbook, it is antiquated book of myth written by scientifically ignorant people. Genesis alone is a joke claiming men magically popping out of dirt, women magically popping out of a man's rib, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes on top of treating the sun and moon as separate sources of light.

Quoting any holy book, not just yours, is what is known as "circular reasoning".

Science is not holy book dependent. If you think Christians are the only to try to co op science to prop up invisible sky heros you would be wrong.

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Let me clear things up for you.

There is no Allah, no Yahweh, no God of the bible, no Vishnu, no Thor, no Apollo, naddda........There are merely humans who like what they believe because facing our finite reality is scary to them.

I think you have that just backwards because humans only think they are.

Wrong.

First off when you debate atheists you really need to understand that this is not our first rodeo. I myself have been debating religion online on an almost daily basis for past 14 years.

Secondly, you fail to consider that if atheists say there is no god, then it should stand to reason that humans cannot be gods either.

Gods do not exist and humans are not gods either.

Just like if I said "invisible pink unicorns do not exist" humans could not be invisible pink unicorns either.

[Chili]

....puff puff pass, Chief.

Humans only think they are because they do not know who they are as an outsider to their own self. They therefore must think to be, and hence, "cogito ergo sum" is real for them, until you put the fire under them and then they first learn that they are more then what they once thought to be.

This is where the ability to think is much like having red hair, and from there all of our senses are a part of the embodiment of man, including also our ability to look and see.

In the end this means that our body is the embodiment of the sum total of our parts, and if our ability to think is ours to justify our thoughts it would not take much to figure out that we are looking for the seer trying to see himself see. And if ever we find him, this stranger is what some of us would call God, while others say it is not.

[Brian37]

....puff puff pass, Chief.

Humans only think they are because they do not know who they are as an outsider to their own self. They therefore must think to be, and hence, "cogito ergo sum" is real for them, until you put the fire under them and then they first learn that they are more then what they once thought to be.

This is where the ability to think is much like having red hair, and from there all of our senses are a part of the embodiment of man, including also our ability to look and see.

In the end this means that our body is the embodiment of the sum total of our parts, and if our ability to think is ours to justify our thoughts it would not take much to figure out that we are looking for the seer trying to see himself see. And if ever we find him, this stranger is what some of us would call God, while others say it is not.

Humans can be power hungry yes, but that has nothing to do atheists accepting that there is no god and humans are not gods either.

Um no, in the end our species will go extinct, our planet will die, our sun as well and the universe will continue on without any record of our existence.