Objective greatness and God

[Mudhammam]

You're saying you know of THE pizza of which no greater shape and flavor can be conceived?

I haven't exactly seen it, but I have logical proof, which is just as good:

1) By definition, such a Pizza is a Pizza than which none greater can be imagined.
2) A Pizza that necessarily exists in reality is greater than a Pizza that does not necessarily exist.
3) Thus, by definition, if this Pizza exists as an idea in the mind but does not necessarily exist in reality, then we can imagine something that is greater than this Pizza.
4) But we cannot imagine something that is greater than the greatest pizza of all (you surely will agree).
5) Thus, if this Pizza exists in the mind as an idea, then it necessarily exists in reality.
6) The absolute, objectively greatest, perfect Pizza exists in the mind as an idea. Therefore, it necessarily exists in reality.

[Spooky]

I think if you believe in objective greatness, you automatically will believe in God. But Atheists will say greatness is all subjective or that there is no connection between objective greatness and God.

I think if you believe there is objective greatness, you will have to believe all possible greatness has an existence and origin and basis that by which we experience objective greatness. I think relative experience of greatness relies on objective greatness existing as well.

To say one subjective experience of greatness is better or worse then another relies on some objective reality of greatness.

But such arguments are not knock out arguments. But I still believe this a good reason to believe in God.

I don't think this creates a belief in an intelligent singular sentient "being". You've simply redefined "God".

[RobbyPants]

I think if you believe in objective greatness, you automatically will believe in God. But Atheists will say greatness is all subjective or that there is no connection between objective greatness and God.

I think if you believe there is objective greatness, you will have to believe all possible greatness has an existence and origin and basis that by which we experience objective greatness. I think relative experience of greatness relies on objective greatness existing as well.

I don't believe in objective greatness (by virtue of it being an incoherent concept), so I suppose I can just reject this premise on first principles. That being said, if I don't, how would this in any way indicate God? You haven't proven a link between "objective greatness" and an "origin of greatness", and you certainly haven't proven that the origin is God.

This looks like a god of the gaps argument obfuscated by word salad.

To say one subjective experience of greatness is better or worse then another relies on some objective reality of greatness.

I don't understand how you get to this point. "Greatness" is a relative term. A given amount of money could be "great" to one person and not to another. I don't see how one person evaluating it as "great" has to hint that there must be some objective way to measure greatness.

The fact that the other person can look at that sum of money and not consider it great seems to shoot the notion of "objective greatness" in the foot, doesn't it?

But such arguments are not knock out arguments. But I still believe this a good reason to believe in God.

Why? If by your own admission it's not a strong argument, why would it be a good reason to believe?

[Minimalist]

What else you got?

[Mystic]

Boru in the case of pizza we know it's made out of food and the way to determine it's good is through scent and tongue, and then we have a preference in our brains. Plus there is a limit to how good a pizza it's going to be as oppose to infinite potential just by the nature of taste.

But in the case of greatness, what is the substance of greatness? In Atheism world, there is no substance, it's just something we measure in our head but why should we measure it when it has no existence apart from the world of ideas.

I think it makes a lot more sense it has an actual form, an existence, that to me is God. God is the source of greatness, the basis of our experience of greatness.

[Crossless2.0]

Can we at least agree that the pizza than which none greater can be imagined does not contain fucking pineapple? Even Anselm would agree with that.

[Spooky]

Can we at least agree that the pizza than which none greater can be imagined does not contain fucking pineapple? Even Anselm would agree with that.

agree

[Chad32]

Philosophical concepts like objectivity do not prove the existence of gods. Even if we all got together and unanimously believed that something was great, it doesn't mean we need to start worshiping Yahweh, or Vishnu, or anything else.

[abaris]

When I say Great fart it has a totally different meaning than saying Great pizza. So there is no objective meaning.

[Minimalist]