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The dogma of Islamic immigration
January 9, 2015 at 9:43 pm
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2015 at 10:01 pm by mralstoner.)
After a Muslim soldier shot dead 13 people at the Fort Hood army base in 2009, a US army chief ominously said:
"As great a tragedy as this was, it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well,”
Now, following the shootings in France, and earlier in Canada and Australia, it looks like Islamic terrorism is becoming a permanent feature of Muslim populations in the West.
Just like a law of nature, it seems to be the nature of Muslim populations everywhere to produce a significant percentage who are drawn to the violent interpretation of Islam. (Hardly surprising when you read the violent biography of Mohammed).
But if you try to have a rational discussion including (1) has Muslim immigration been a benefit to the West? and (2) should we stop Muslim immigration? and (3) how should we control our remaining Muslim population?...
If you try to discuss these issues, the answer always seems to come back the same as with Fort Hood i.e. diversity is an unquestioned good, and we cannot take any firm action against our Muslim population whatsoever.
Indeed, if you ask people "how many dead Westerners would it take to change your mind about Muslim immigration/controls?" you also wont get a rational answer. It seems these questions are all out of bounds.
The logical conclusion is that Muslim immigration and the "diversity is strength" mantra are both at the level of dogma, and diversity has become a religion.
And there is no shortage of followers to this religion here on the atheist forum. Ironic, isn't it? It seems these followers are willing to sacrifice hundreds, thousands or millions of Westerners on the altar of diversity. No amount of body bags will change their minds. This is dogma. This is religion. The religion of diversity.
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RE: The dogma of Islamic immigration
January 9, 2015 at 9:57 pm
So let's go to the main point - What do you propose then, smart person? Do you propose banning them from Europe and breaking a significant part of every state's constitution and the declaration of human rights? Not to mention the European convention for Human Rights and the EU's rules. There's no way to kick them out, the best we can do is to restrict immigration further.
It's funny that there are horrible crimes every year perpetuated by all kinds of people, from Muslims to Christians, black, arab and white, and yet we keep pressing the Muslim key... Isn't it odd?
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RE: The dogma of Islamic immigration
January 9, 2015 at 10:03 pm
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2015 at 10:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
1- Yes.
2- No
3- Wait..what? Control? You know who needs to be controlled? People who talk about how to best control some other group of motherfuckers.
Now, how many people would I sacrifice to prevent the vision of control you seem to be hinting at - if the decision were my own? Any of them who were willing to stand the line. Those who aren't are on their own, but when your ilk is done with me and mine, you'll just move on to the next group of "others". They'd have to stand the line one day, regardless of whether or not they wanted to. I know, I know, some muslims do terrible shit, but here in the states..it's sort of a rule that we wait until someone has committed a crime, before we hand out a sentence. I'd like to see islam disappear, personally....but I sure as hell don't want to see the conversation in my country dominated by positions like your own. If it were, I wouldn't stand the line to defend this nation at all, because it wouldn't deserve a single sacrifice.
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RE: The dogma of Islamic immigration
January 10, 2015 at 4:22 am
I'd be concerned with how exactly do you stop muslim immigration? How do you identify who is muslim and who is not? These checks can easily slip to racial profiling or banning people based on their name, which is not accurate and harmful.
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RE: The dogma of Islamic immigration
January 10, 2015 at 4:42 am
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 4:44 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(January 9, 2015 at 9:43 pm)mralstoner Wrote: After a Muslim soldier shot dead 13 people at the Fort Hood army base in 2009, a US army chief ominously said:
"As great a tragedy as this was, it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well,”
Now, following the shootings in France, and earlier in Canada and Australia, it looks like Islamic terrorism is becoming a permanent feature of Muslim populations in the West.
Just like a law of nature, it seems to be the nature of Muslim populations everywhere to produce a significant percentage who are drawn to the violent interpretation of Islam. (Hardly surprising when you read the violent biography of Mohammed).
But if you try to have a rational discussion including (1) has Muslim immigration been a benefit to the West? and (2) should we stop Muslim immigration? and (3) how should we control our remaining Muslim population?...
If you try to discuss these issues, the answer always seems to come back the same as with Fort Hood i.e. diversity is an unquestioned good, and we cannot take any firm action against our Muslim population whatsoever.
Indeed, if you ask people "how many dead Westerners would it take to change your mind about Muslim immigration/controls?" you also wont get a rational answer. It seems these questions are all out of bounds.
The logical conclusion is that Muslim immigration and the "diversity is strength" mantra are both at the level of dogma, and diversity has become a religion.
And there is no shortage of followers to this religion here on the atheist forum. Ironic, isn't it? It seems these followers are willing to sacrifice hundreds, thousands or millions of Westerners on the altar of diversity. No amount of body bags will change their minds. This is dogma. This is religion. The religion of diversity.
Cool strawman, bro.
Oh, I almost forgot -- kill the ragheads, blah blah blah!
Dumbfuck.
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