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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 7:55 am
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Also in #1 and #2- The Cyanobacteria released released oxygen during photosynthesis. What if there were no cyanobacteria? Would we be alive here?
(January 13, 2015 at 7:52 am)Alex K Wrote: (January 13, 2015 at 7:47 am)Grasshopper Wrote: Someone said something about how the eye makes an image upside down and has a blind spot. Well how about the fact that it can see over a million versions of colour? It makes an inverted image but that is fixed by the brain.
Also the sensors point somewhat backwards, which results in the blind spot. The fact that it nevertheless sees a lot of colors etc is a simple result of evolution. One gets stuck with strange accidents like that, but then continuous natural selection works to keep optimizing based on that - what you end up with is a very well-optimized cludge.
True. I agree
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 7:57 am
(January 13, 2015 at 7:55 am)Grasshopper Wrote: Also in #1 and #2- The Cyanobacteria released released oxygen during photosynthesis. What if there were no cyanobacteria? Would we be alive here?
Possibly not, oxygen seems very useful for efficient metabolism (ianab). Of course, when the cyanoguys first did that, they damn nigh poisoned everyone else around.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 8:15 am
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(January 13, 2015 at 7:57 am)Alex K Wrote: (January 13, 2015 at 7:55 am)Grasshopper Wrote: Also in #1 and #2- The Cyanobacteria released released oxygen during photosynthesis. What if there were no cyanobacteria? Would we be alive here?
Possibly not, oxygen seems very useful for efficient metabolism (ianab). Of course, when the cyanoguys first did that, they damn nigh poisoned everyone else around.
Yes the anaerobic things were killed. Then aerobic life came up.
I wonder, when the sun's gonna grow, when we all die or escape to Titan or something. . . will the organisms have evolved into heat resistant things that are capable of living without water, or will life simply cease to exist?
Fascinating subject but we can only imagine and speculate
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 8:18 am
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(January 13, 2015 at 12:52 am)Grasshopper Wrote:
There is some solid theory on 'why we believe', we actually have a pretty good handle on it.
The need to want to believe in something, to have a system of belief, is hardwired into our brains. you may have chosen Christianity as your system of belief but all around the world different peoples are choosing different systems of belief, we all need one, even atheists. Now, just to be clear on this point, we do not all need a god or a belief in the supernatural, just a system of belief.
Many people disagree with me because they like to put the cart before the horse but a belief in the truth of scientific endeavour, is a system of belief. Looking at things in this way can help define and explain what is meant when we say 'system of belief'.
We can now understand that a system of belief need not have a god of any kind; systems of belief need not appeal to the supernatural, in fact any conversation on the topic will elicit unique points of view as to what one ought, in any given opinion, to be inclined to believe in. What should be obvious to all reasonable people is that what is not important is the content of a system of belief, what is important is its function (which is perhaps a topic for another thread).
Your entire post says nothing about the function of your system of belief. It would, therefore, seem your only justifying your system of belief to yourself.
In which case you don't need my opinion, do you.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 8:23 am
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Sure, atheism doesn't tell you what someone's beliefs are but I would agree on the whole people will have some sort of system of beliefs, whether they have given it thought or not.
For me, I believe mainly in trying to enjoy life, helping others, logic and reason. I guess that sums me up fairly well.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 8:58 am
You seem to have built a no-lose situation.
- Multiple universes, this is the only one that has life (although we don't know that either are true) therefore creator.
- Single universe therefore it's special and must have a creator.
I would say you are just applying the Anthropic Principle. Just because something could not happen any other way, does not mean it was designed to be as such.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 9:17 am
I don't think God can be understood with the mind, it seems like foolishness.
God is understood with the heart (spirit).
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 9:22 am
(January 13, 2015 at 9:17 am)strawdawg Wrote: God is understood with the heart (spirit).
Your heart is a muscle which pumps blood, strawdawg.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 9:23 am
Well first off let me restate what i was trying to state.
Religion makes no sense and its asinine to make sense of it.
Though people believe this bronze age lie a desert bronze age lie that still baffles me.
Even if there is multiverse still a god would play no role in creation of it because the universe
does not need a god. I hold the default position of saying there is no god because there is no evidence
to the contrary but a book filled with the lies of ancient bronze age desert people. So is life on this planet
special because we are here? well... not really i mean in our galaxy alone this is 40+billion earth like planets
guaranteeing there should be life on almost most of them, Then the universe and the other galaxies it would be
absurd to think god only put living beings all on 1 planet and have other earth like planets. The day when first contact
is made its the day when religion and its followers show their ignorance and stupidity calling the outsiders devils and demons.
And it hurts more or less well destroy creationism and put it to bed. I would believe in god but why should i mean the bible says
we have souls no we don't when we die its... all over there is nothing. I don['t believe in god because i don't want to be ignorant
simple as fact most people need to realize this and stop and grow up. Religion did more to humanity in whole to separate us, allow
us to treat others hostility, Most wars and hell cults fucking death cults that drink koolaide, also home grown terrorism the KKK. I wont even list anymore.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: Why we believe
January 13, 2015 at 9:32 am
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(January 13, 2015 at 9:23 am)dyresand Wrote: Well first off let me restate what i was trying to state.
Religion makes no sense and its asinine to make sense of it.
Though people believe this bronze age lie a desert bronze age lie that still baffles me.
Even if there is multiverse still a god would play no role in creation of it because the universe
does not need a god. I hold the default position of saying there is no god because there is no evidence
to the contrary but a book filled with the lies of ancient bronze age desert people. So is life on this planet
special because we are here? well... not really i mean in our galaxy alone this is 40+billion earth like planets
guaranteeing there should be life on almost most of them, Then the universe and the other galaxies it would be
absurd to think god only put living beings all on 1 planet and have other earth like planets. The day when first contact
is made its the day when religion and its followers show their ignorance and stupidity calling the outsiders devils and demons.
And it hurts more or less well destroy creationism and put it to bed. I would believe in god but why should i mean the bible says
we have souls no we don't when we die its... all over there is nothing. I don['t believe in god because i don't want to be ignorant
simple as fact most people need to realize this and stop and grow up. Religion did more to humanity in whole to separate us, allow
us to treat others hostility, Most wars and hell cults fucking death cults that drink koolaide, also home grown terrorism the KKK. I wont even list anymore.
Okay this is weird. You're deviating into an anti-christian rant where it clearly wasn't called for.
I believe life exists on other planets what made you think I thought otherwise? Probably they were no accident too. Maybe the whole omniverse (yes that IS a thing) is full of life and maybe the whole purpose of each universe is to house life and eventually end in a heat death I don't know.
SPECU-FUCKIN- LATION.
But this post made no sense to me
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