(January 14, 2015 at 5:24 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:(January 14, 2015 at 5:22 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No actually you do not. Both are claims of "I am better than you because of" making that distinction allows them to move the goal posts.
Race or religion and claiming special treatment by proxy of such still amounts to setting up social pecking orders. It is a comic book reflection of our real evolutionary group survival.
I will only say that the Hebrews were the first to successfully market a monotheistic God. No not the first attempt, but the first to be successfully marketed for that time. Christianity and Islam simply are splinter sects of the God of Abraham. But none of them are races.
What are you talking about?
Semitic: a subfamily of Afroasiatic languages that includes Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, Hebrew, and Phoenician.
Jewish: of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews or Judaism
There's no "better than" statement between defining those two terms.
(January 14, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Blackout Wrote: Alright, fair enough. But people invariably use the word Jewish either to refer to Judaism (religion) or race so it's complicated for me to see trough word's intentions... In my case, the word jewish is thrown around to refer to the people whose origins are in Israel and their descendants, regardless of religion. But yeah a convert is Jewish, no doubt.
This is the statement I was referring to. Israel is a semitic country by virtue of the fact that it is populated by people who speak semitic languages. Out of those subsets come religious subsets. Calling everyone in Israel or from Israel Jewish is factually inaccurate. Where the hell did you get that I was somehow making a "better than" statement?
You keep missing my point. Yes Jews can and do make it about race. My point is that it is a DODGE, and it is the same dodge Muslims try with the word "Arab".
Race and religion are both constructs humans use to set up social pecking orders. My point is that word games allow them to do that. Science already knows that neither religion was around 200,000 years ago, and even when they started and co-existed there was constant gene mixing going on the entire time.
I know the terms you are discussing are used and "Jew" and "Semite" are viewed as differently as "Muslim" and "Arab". Those are important distinctions to know. The importance for them is to use those to avoid facing reality. Our point for knowing it is to get them to understand that neither race or religion are good things to be used to set up social pecking orders.
So now you call it a language? Yea, Spanish is a language too, stemming from Latin but still, you can say all "Hispanics" are the same because you have Spanish speakers from Spain, Spanish speakers from Cuba. Spanish speakers from Mexico, and all over south America.
I wasn't accusing you of anything. I am warning humans in general that while labels cannot be avoided, our geograpics and what we are raised with and what our skin tone is, and even the languages humans speak, ARE used in very divisive ways.
I am not the one calling Israel all "Jews" Jews overlap no different than when a baptist and protestant will ignore that Mormons and Catholics are also Christians. Now just a couple months ago Netenyahu made a public declaration that he had every intend on basing Isreal's law on the Talmud, If that isn't a Jewish text I do not don't know what is.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180440
This means alll secular Jews, religious Jews, and Semitic Jews overlap in that desire to have a social pecking order based on a religious text regardless. That pits them against each other and non-Jewish citizens as well. It is still setting up a social pecking order.
No different than Sunnis and Shiites. There are more westernized Muslim countries like Morocco and Turkey that have their subsets and secularists and non Muslims too. But it still is hard for anyone not in that majority.
Even my X wife who is Japanese can tell you that if she travels to the north she hears a completely different dialect than where she lives. The Japanese on the extreme northern Islands facially look like they have Russian features as well.
China is no different. They have different dialects and even Chinese Muslims depending on location in China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China
