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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:13 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: As I've told you many times now all of that would be repurposed. And as I keep responding, you are essentially claiming that they repurposed every last scrap of metal, stone, and pottery and left absolutely no traces whatsoever. And buildings are not the only stone structures, nor would a group of people the size of a city continually wander through such a relatively small area without stopping for extended periods. The story tells us that they stayed there because of a judgment from god, not because they were trying to find their way out. To assume that they simply kept moving and never stopped is as ludicrous as assuming that they didn't leave a single scrap of evidence of their 38-year trip.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:13 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 12:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (January 28, 2015 at 11:57 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: Hmmm. I only glanced at it. I agree that many of the examples I saw were a little silly. For example, 2 million people gathering for Obama's inauguration is not comparable, because the crowd was supported by the logistics of Washington, D.C. and dissipated after a day or so.
No, I mean his source is straight up horseshit from top to bottom. It's a site specifically dedicated to advancing and justifying the views of its specific Christian sect. Any 'evidence' they might put forward is hopelessly tainted. If Drich wants to give actual information, he should use sources that are peer-reviewed, have actual historical and scientific references, and are not dedicated to advancing an ideology at any cost to intellectual honesty and open discussion.
Omg..
So... you are trying to dismiss all that data with sweeping baseless dismissal base on your 'home page' comment?
seriously, are you mentally handicap? if so I'll let this go. if not to whom does your arguement work for? those who want to keep their heads burried in the sand?
If someone want to know the feesiablity of a undertaking like this and has solid evidence that supports it's plausiblity, an intelectually honest person looking to refute such a claim start disassembling the evidence provided.
But, that's not what you did. You made fun of their home page, dismissed the content because it was not in agreement to what you want to hear and poo poo'ed on everything, Without addressing one single point.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Drich, you're breathtakingly intellectually dishonest and insulting. The fact that anyone manages to hold a conversation with you is a bigger miracle than any zombie-man could be.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:39 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 1:13 pm)Drich Wrote: If someone want to know the feesiablity of a undertaking like this and has solid evidence that supports it's plausiblity, an intelectually honest person looking to refute such a claim start disassembling the evidence provided. Quote:The exodus population were sustained by miracles: Pillar of fire provided light; cloud provided shelter and water (Isa 4:4-6); manna provided food, their cloths and shoes did not wear out; (Deut 8:4) God gave them supernatural strength in fleeing Egypt and crossing the Red Sea.
From your link. Magic got them through.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:43 pm
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(January 28, 2015 at 1:13 pm)Tonus Wrote: And as I keep responding, you are essentially claiming that they repurposed every last scrap of metal, stone, and pottery and left absolutely no traces whatsoever. YES! ALL Metal would be resmelted and formed into something else one could use. a broken or unused tool was not thrown away like today. The only items that would not have been carried into the promise land after their time in the desert would have undoubtly been lost.
They would not have wanted to work with stone as it is too heavy to shelp around.
I am sure there are small fragments of pottery (if they were too small to use as arrowheads) left, but again to find big pots like in your picture would not be possible, as without a doubt those items could be reused as something else.
Quote:And buildings are not the only stone structures, nor would a group of people the size of a city continually wander through such a relatively small area without stopping for extended periods.
But LARGE Buildings or Large Stone Structures are indeed all they have found. Actually not even that only the foundations of these Large Stone Structures are what is found.
Quote: The story tells us that they stayed there because of a judgment from god, not because they were trying to find their way out. To assume that they simply kept moving and never stopped is as ludicrous as assuming that they didn't leave a single scrap of evidence of their 38-year trip.
But AGAIN What did they do After that 40 years?
They went into the promise land. When they got the green light do you think they droped everything they had like an army would if it lost 1/2 or most of the men in it? (Which again History records and we found nothing of) Or do you think they would have taken their meger and repurposed possessions into the promise land to help them build their lives there?
You do understand the reason I keep point to those armies right?
If millions of men march through that desert and died in it leaving all of their possessions behind, and their is nothing left of them. Or even all of the possessions that a whole city once contained are lost to the sands, then what can one truly expect to find from a people who left a very small ecco foot print behind them? Again if these other two examples of the people who lived/worked there do not leave ANY trace of their existance other than the Stone foundations of lost cities what can you truly expect to find of a 4000 year old camping trip?[/quote]
(January 28, 2015 at 1:15 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Drich, you're breathtakingly intellectually dishonest and insulting. The fact that anyone manages to hold a conversation with you is a bigger miracle than any zombie-man could be.
You guy claim to want facts, i have provided you with pages of facts on this subject, and what do you do with them??? For some reason facts no longer intrest you and you want to ad hoc attack the way the facts are presented rather than make an effort to addresss even one of the 'facts' provided.. and yet you call me intellectually dishonest? I'm not the one using logically fallacy to hold my position here sport you are.
(January 28, 2015 at 1:39 pm)IATIA Wrote: (January 28, 2015 at 1:13 pm)Drich Wrote: If someone want to know the feesiablity of a undertaking like this and has solid evidence that supports it's plausiblity, an intelectually honest person looking to refute such a claim start disassembling the evidence provided. Quote:The exodus population were sustained by miracles: Pillar of fire provided light; cloud provided shelter and water (Isa 4:4-6); manna provided food, their cloths and shoes did not wear out; (Deut 8:4) God gave them supernatural strength in fleeing Egypt and crossing the Red Sea.
From your link. Magic got them through.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:53 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Drich Wrote: You guy claim to want facts, i have provided you with pages of facts on this subject, and what do you do with them??? For some reason facts no longer intrest you and you want to ad hoc attack the way the facts are presented rather than make an effort to addresss even one of the 'facts' provided.. and yet you call me intellectually dishonest? I'm not the one using logically fallacy to hold my position here sport you are.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 1:56 pm
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 2:04 pm
I have noticed a new trend in the theists argument recently.
The "this is why there is no evidence" argument.
The "god exists outside our reference". argument.
The "2 million people can travel tracelessly for 40 years" argument.
The "You can't find evidence for miracles because they leave no mark in nature being supernatural argument" argument.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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(January 28, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: so the logistics supported by man through infrastructure of a man made city somehow trumps what God The Creator of Everything can do? Seems so, yeah. Kind of embarrassing for "god", I guess, but there it is.
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RE: Creation/evolution3
January 28, 2015 at 2:12 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 2:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I have noticed a new trend in the theists argument recently.
The "this is why there is no evidence" argument.
The "god exists outside our reference". argument.
The "2 million people can travel tracelessly for 40 years" argument.
The "You can't find evidence for miracles because they leave no mark in nature being supernatural argument" argument.
It's the last refuge of 6-year-olds, scoundrels, and of course Christians.
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