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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 5:09 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 3:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Why is this nice to see? Why do you care what a NFL player thinks about the existence of a god or gods? You all sure behave as if atheism is a religion.
It's always nice to see another vote for reason and sanity; particularly in an organization with many members praising the irrational. God gives a flying fuck about football and some jackass making a touchdown? Thank you Jeebus!
We care about public figures presenting a positive image of to the impressionable youth.
Atheism is nothing more than insisting believers "show me" and rejection of anything not showable. To date, after thousands of years, believers can do no such thing.
If being a rational skeptic is a religion, sign me up.
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 5:15 pm
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(January 20, 2015 at 3:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 11:02 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Just thought this was a cool little thing, seeing as the NFL is overwhelmingly Christian in its players and they routinely thank God for wins or touchdowns or nice catches, and tweet about their God-sponsored play constantly.
Arian Foster for those who don't know is the running back for the Houston Texans, and is a pretty damn big name in football, so it's nice to see someone with a big reputation on the line stand up proudly with their unbelief.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...qus_thread
Why is this nice to see? Why do you care what a NFL player thinks about the existence of a god or gods? You all sure behave as if atheism is a religion.
Or, if you haven't got your bigot blinders on, like it's a widely-despised minority that's making progress in social acceptance.
(January 20, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: …so this is nice to see simply because he believes something different than the rest of the NFL?
Is your cluelessness pretend or real?
(January 20, 2015 at 11:21 am)Godschild Wrote: Would you be happy if a player came out and said they believed in pink unicorns?
I'd be happy they felt safe enough to be open about it. It's no sillier than things hundreds of millions of other people believe.
(January 20, 2015 at 11:21 am)Godschild Wrote: Or does the minority belief have to align with your beliefs?
There are lots of minority beliefs. They don't have to align, just be tolerated to the same extent as other beliefs.
(January 20, 2015 at 11:21 am)Godschild Wrote: I cannot figure out why the fact that a player genuinely believes that his abilities are a result of God’s grace bothers you at all.
It's not a bother, but it certainly takes no courage to be open about it.
(January 20, 2015 at 11:21 am)Godschild Wrote: Just interesting.
To trolls, maybe.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 5:20 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 2:38 pm)Spooky Wrote: Interesting. I rarely watch football and didn't realize god cared so much about the sport. I wonder how much money he'll now lose.
Oh, yeah....it's a big fucking deal to him apparently.
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Now an NFL player asserts that God is responsible for his fuckups.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/russ...ar-AA8ouYT
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I cannot figure out why the fact that a player genuinely believes that his abilities are a result of God’s grace bothers you at all. That's because you place no value in truth.
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 6:04 pm
Its funny though everyone thanks god for something but then there is people who would get upset if a person in the NFL is like all my hard work and dedication is paying off and i am grateful for my team for getting me here.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 6:18 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Chas Wrote: O, Statler, don't be so dim. Ever heard of a role model? Ever heard of smashing stereotypes?
Wait, you view an NFL player- someone who plays a game for a living- as a role model for guidance concerning what we ought to believe in regards to the existence of god? You’re joking right?
(January 20, 2015 at 3:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Don't be dense, Dorf. It's nice because it's a minority (un)belief that I share, and seeing as many times atheists are made out to be somehow "bad" by many Christians, it's nice to see someone with a very public face express that unbelief.
The fact that your entire thread makes no sense in light of the fact that there is no moral imperative for a person to believe what is true in atheistic conceptual schemes in no way means that I am the one being “dense” here.
(January 20, 2015 at 3:58 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Speaking as a football fan, if you believe that God is influencing the outcome of the games, what's the point of pretending there's actual competition going on, or that the players and their athletic skills matter in the slightest? If God is really involved, the whole thing is a total farce.
But, that's true about life in general, really.
God pre-ordains all that comes to pass.
If atheism were true you’d have the same issue but to an even more severe degree since all decisions made on the field would be pre-determined by and according to the chemical processes within the brains of the players and coaches. Let’s all cheer for streams flowing, rocks falling, and ice melting! How boring!
(January 20, 2015 at 5:09 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: It's always nice to see another vote for reason and sanity; particularly in an organization with many members praising the irrational. God gives a flying fuck about football and some jackass making a touchdown? Thank you Jeebus!
What is irrational about believing that God cares about what happens in a football game? He cares about the outcome of casted lots. Atheists love to toss around words like reason and rational without actually knowing or caring what they mean. Additionally, you have no idea what Foster believes, he simply said he’s not religious, that in no way means he’s any more rational than the next guy. Some of the most irrational people the world has ever known have been atheists.
Quote: We care about public figures presenting a positive image of to the impressionable youth.
That’s fine, but you’ve done nothing to establish that simply being an atheist is presenting a positive image to anyone.
Quote: Atheism is nothing more than insisting believers "show me" and rejection of anything not showable. To date, after thousands of years, believers can do no such thing.
That sounds like poorly stated empiricism, not atheism.
Quote: If being a rational skeptic is a religion, sign me up.
What about being an irrational skeptic?
(January 20, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Or, if you haven't got your bigot blinders on, like it's a widely-despised minority that's making progress in social acceptance.
Discouraging incorrect beliefs is not in any way bigotry.
Quote: Is your cluelessness pretend or real?
I just like things to make logical sense.
Quote:I'd be happy they felt safe enough to be open about it. It's no sillier than things hundreds of millions of other people believe.
GC did not post that, I did. So it does not matter what you believe, as long as you’re in the minority? I wonder...do you apply that same standard to those who reject Neo-Darwinism and anthropomorphic climate change?
Quote: There are lots of minority beliefs. They don't have to align, just be tolerated to the same extent as other beliefs.
According to whom?
Quote: It's not a bother, but it certainly takes no courage to be open about it.
It’s better to be courageously wrong than simply being right?
(January 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: That's because you place no value in truth.
Are you saying that people have a moral imperative to believe what is true?
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 6:23 pm
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(January 20, 2015 at 11:02 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Just thought this was a cool little thing, seeing as the NFL is overwhelmingly Christian in its players and they routinely thank God for wins or touchdowns or nice catches, and tweet about their God-sponsored play constantly.
Arian Foster for those who don't know is the running back for the Houston Texans, and is a pretty damn big name in football, so it's nice to see someone with a big reputation on the line stand up proudly with their unbelief.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...qus_thread
AWESOME SAUCE!
This really is worthy as news as it's own thread. DOH, I thought this was the other thread........   
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 6:48 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 6:18 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: That's because you place no value in truth.
Are you saying that people have a moral imperative to believe what is true? Um, no.
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RE: Big Name NFL Athlete Asserts his Atheism
January 20, 2015 at 6:53 pm
(January 20, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 3:40 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Nice to see someone express their beliefs that are in stark contrast to the overwhelming majority. And because most NFL players can't go a single interview without thanking god for something during the game, it's just a bit refreshing.
…so this is nice to see simply because he believes something different than the rest of the NFL? Would you be happy if a player came out and said they believed in pink unicorns? Or does the minority belief have to align with your beliefs? I cannot figure out why the fact that a player genuinely believes that his abilities are a result of God’s grace bothers you at all. Just interesting.
It probably has something to do with all the shit Christians have inflicted upon unbelievers for god knows how long. Nice to see their chokehold being loosened.
Of course, I can understand your churlishness. No one likes to see their worldview cut up in such a pithy manner.
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