Evidence God Exists

[Soyouz]

I wonder how the argument would go if there were several 'intelligent' species. "Look at how many intelligent species there are! What are the chances that 8 separate species all developped such high intelligence? God must exist for such a coincidence to take place."

^ This.

[Dotard]

I wonder how the argument would go if there were several 'intelligent' species. "Look at how many intelligent species there are! What are the chances that 8 separate species all developped such high intelligence? God must exist for such a coincidence to take place."

^ This.

^ That.

[Minimalist]

It was late last night when I wrote my initial dismissal of your idea so now, with a little time, let me expand.
The problem begins here:

I should note that while I believe in God, I am not an extreme bible belt fundamentalist. I believe in evolution,

Evolution is not a religion. It does not care if you believe in it or not. I'll accept your word that you 'believe' in it but the fact is that you do not seem to know much about it. Evolution does not share your prejudice in favor of "intelligence." You have created an artificial hierarchy of traits and (surprise) placed yourself at the top of the pyramid. Evolution by natural selection enables an organism to survive in a given environment and pass its genes along to the next generation. Period. Birds have evolved to fly. Grizzly bears have evolved to have great size and big teeth and claws. While you apparently consider yourself the hottest thing on the planet you might stop to consider the end result of this scenario. You are standing on a high cliff with a digital camera taking photos. A duck is standing next to you. From behind at a distance of ten yards a grizzly charges out of the woods at you. The duck flies away. Your choice is to follow the duck or fight the bear unarmed. In either case your much-valued intelligence is not going to do you much good. In fact, while the bear is mauling you, you might wish that evolution had skimped a little on the "intelligence" and given you greater size as well as useful teeth and claws. Of course, if you jump off the cliff instead you can muse on your wonderful artistic superiority as you fall to your death. The duck will fly nearby but without passing judgment on the rather ineffectual being which is hurtling earthward at increasing speed. The far less "intelligent" bear and duck will survive to participate in the next mating season. You will be dead.

I am not denigrating "intelligence" in terms of human evolution. Frankly, when you compare our physical traits to those of most animals it is the only reason we survived at all. But the earliest manifestation of that intelligence was the ability to make tools....not write philosophical treatises. Those tools were little more than rocks with a sharp edge but it did give a small band of ape-like creatures the ability to survive in a harsh environment and once that process started it evolved on its own and resulted in Mozart's Le Nozze di Figaro. But the ability to write an opera would have been of no use to those early humans but that spear was a useful tool.

That's enough for now.

[chatpilot]

Damn! Dotard and Min you guys are cold. But funny as hell lol. Hot chicks and the ability to fly versus fighting a bear unarmed too funny. I needed a good laugh this morning and you guys came through so I guess that could qualify as proof that god exists. He was looking down from his heavenly throne at my poor miserable ass this morning and thought that he would cheer me up by providing some jokes from my fellow atheists. Thank you Lord for thou art great!!

[Minimalist]

Glad to help.

[AngelThMan]

Let’s talk about animal intelligence since a few of you have brought it up. Animals have different degrees of intelligence, and some are smarter than others. But none equal man’s capacity for thought.

The main goal for all other animals is to eat and sleep. Survival. That’s it, no matter how people want to sugarcoat or embellish it. Animals do not build cities. Animals do not have the skill of language. Animals cannot create or appreciate music or art. Some of you might want to point out that there are painting elephants and apes. But what needs to be understood is that in all of those cases there is human influence. When elephants paint, there are always humans guiding their movements.

Animals can learn tricks. I can even give examples of animals that respond to limited vocabularies. These are all tricks. The fact is no animal has ever initiated a work of art on its own. When someone finds a museum created by animals in the Serengeti, then come talk to me.

Man is the ruling species. No other animal has been given this privilege. I’ve heard the argument that dinosaurs “ruled the earth” millions of year ago. But when science makes this claim, it is meant merely as figurative speaking. Dinosaurs were large in size and abundant in numbers, and they were at the top of the food chain. That’s what “dinosaurs ruled the earth” means. It’s like saying that lions are the “kings of the jungle.” But there are no crowning ceremonies, are there, or real kingdoms? Dinosaurs never built cities or governments; therefore they never really ruled the earth.

I’m sure everyone here is smart enough to understand the difference between animal intelligence and human intelligence. You may find an intelligent trait in one species, and another trait in another species. But you won’t find one single species with all the intelligent traits that humans possess.

Lastly, only humans worship God. Not only does this point towards a unique brand of intelligence, but it is also significant with respect to our status as the dominant species.

[Minimalist]

Lastly, only humans worship God.

Perhaps animals are merely not interested in wasting their time as they have better things to do.


Your argument is unconvincing. But then, it was from the start.

[AngelThMan]

Lastly, only humans worship God.

Perhaps animals are merely not interested in wasting their time as they have better things to do.

You mean like eat and sleep?

[Minimalist]

I know plenty of people that said phrase can apply to.....especially if you add in "screw."

[AngelThMan]

I know plenty of people that said phrase can apply to.....especially if you add in "screw."

lol. I was talking about a species as a whole. Not individuals.