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Evidence God Exists
RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 17, 2010 at 7:43 pm)solja247 Wrote:
Quote:Can you define what you see as a miracle? To me it would have to be something that breaks the laws of all that we know as possible. Something that is extremely unlikely to happen is not a miracle. Something that we would consider impossible to happen then does, I guess you could call a miracle.

A being manipulates our dimension (universe) to do His/its will. Thats what a miracle is. Jesus rising from the dead is a miracle...

It would be if it had happened yes. Now is there any proof of any miracles happening more recently that can be verified? Or did god get stage fright and stop performing miracles once cameras were invented that could document the proof? Tongue
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RE: Evidence God Exists
Quote:Jesus rising from the dead is a miracle fiction...


Fixed.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
Quote:It would be if it had happened yes. Now is there any proof of any miracles happening more recently that can be verified? Or did god get stage fright and stop performing miracles once cameras were invented that could document the proof?

I believe so, but they are rare. If there were miracles all the time, it would infringe on freedom of choice...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Evidence God Exists
Quote:If there were miracles all the time, it would infringe on freedom of choice...
What possibly a miracle like curing cancer has to do with freedom of choice? You know, dying is not a choice in most of the cases.. I dont think anyone would object to being cured from it..
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.

Gandalf The Gray.
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RE: Evidence God Exists


Entropy Wrote:Well, I was responding to a post saying that a Christian says that his god answers their prayers, miraculously makes things better. I call bullshit. Simple.
You simply cannot dismiss someones personal claims.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 18, 2010 at 3:38 am)blood_pardon Wrote:
Entropy Wrote:Well, I was responding to a post saying that a Christian says that his god answers their prayers, miraculously makes things better. I call bullshit. Simple.
You simply cannot dismiss someones personal claims.

I claim I got out of bed this morning, my legs turned into rockets and I flew to mars and back.

Are you going to take my personal claim seriously? No. Because it's ridiculous.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
This thread is so massively long, so if I'm repeating something, forgive me.. I'm not going to read 91+ pages to double check.

(March 9, 2010 at 12:15 am)AngelThMan Wrote: Without further ado, here’s the evidence: Humans are the only species, out of millions of species, which have evolved into an intelligent life form.

Wrong, there are several species that exist on this planet that are intelligent life forms. I know what you're trying to say though. We think at a different capacity, and an advanced capacity, over other creatures.

But still, to answer what you MEANT, which is... why are we the only ones to become so advanced, in terms of math, communication, science, reasoning, understanding, etc, I'll answer for you.

Quote:Other species live pretty much to eat and sleep -- survival. If our evolution were only a result of natural selection, shouldn’t other species, or even just one, have evolved into intelligent beings after millions of years?

You're making the assumption that all species are going to evolve in the same fashion. This is like you saying,

"Since there are millions of birds on this planet, shouldn't we have wings too?"

We happen to be a unique species capable of advanced reasoning skills. I'd say that our ability to think on this level is what defines us as human. You're under the assumption, though, that all other species are expected to be like this. This is not the case.

Even if it was the case, why do you believe that humans are the only ones capable of this thought process? It could very well be that in the future, pandas end up being the next species to think like us, or any species, for that matter.

Quote:But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?

No, it's not. It's evidence that over time, humans developed, and happened to be the first species capable of doing this. It's as simple as that.
I'm not going to do a huge amount of research, so this isn't a prime example, however, this is like saying that Electrophorus is one of the first and only species to give off an "electric" shock. Why don't elephants have this? Why don't cats do this?

A better example of your logic is the Immortal Jellyfish, or Turritopsis nutricula. It's the only species that can properly revert back to a younger stage of it's life cycle. How come we can't do this? Is the fact that the jellyfish was given this ability, and not us, proof that God exists?

Your logic is the same as, "God must exist, look at the trees."

Quote:Yes it is, and for several reasons. For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible, which is that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior.

That's because humans already existed back then, and animals were and still are in many cases, considered inferior. If I write a book that you're inferior, and I'm superior, does this make it true? No? The book wouldn't be old enough you say? So in like, 2000 years or so, the book would be true, and I'd officially be superior to you? What if I wrote that I healed people in the book too, that would be 100% proof and evidence right?

Quote:But to truly understand why my evidence points towards a deity one needs to be able to appreciate the grandness of this gift that is human intelligence. And you have to ask yourself, why are we the only species, out of millions, that have achieved this type of intelligence?

Because we were the first to do it, as simple as that.

Quote:Evolution is about natural selection, but shouldn’t at least one other species, out of millions, have benefited from intelligence? I think so.

Intelligence at our level? Well no, like I said, we're simply the first to have it. It is indeed, what makes us unique. However, another subject completely... But you're missing the fact that there are several species who are able to think basic concepts and learn new things, at a level of human capacity... That aren't just simple mimicking. Birds that do advanced math, apes that actually communicate via computers and sign language, etc.

Of course, humans taught them how to do this, but of course... humans teach humans, that's the only way we learn.

In fact, animals learn things the same way. They teach their young what they know, etc.

So, if you're wondering why my cat doesn't have advanced conversations with me about physics, and can't cook or make me a cup of tea... It's simply because it's a cat, and that's not how it learned to do things... and simply put, can't do such things.

Why don't humans act like dogs? Or birds? Or rats? Because we're not them, and they're not us. God has nothing to do with it, and our differences don't account for a God.

Quote:And there would be a myriad of other intelligent species if there were no God. If you can appreciate the grandness and uniqueness of human intelligence, then you’ll understand why only humans were given this gift, and you'll know why what I've outlined here points to a God.

So, since humans were the first species to think at this level... That's proof that there's God. Uh, no.
I like the way you think!
...But please stop thinking, it's not you.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 18, 2010 at 3:38 am)blood_pardon Wrote:
Entropy Wrote:Well, I was responding to a post saying that a Christian says that his god answers their prayers, miraculously makes things better. I call bullshit. Simple.
You simply cannot dismiss someones personal claims.

As I said, for every one individual that can say they got a miracle cure from cancer or miraculously survived a car crash, there are many more or people who have died of cancer or died in a car crash. I cited 9/11 as one particular instance. I suppose their personal claim (or lack thereof) doesn't count, eh?

Just remember when some schmuck says, "Oh its a miracle Hurricane Katrina didn't come our way! Gawd heard our prayers!" many others did get that hurricane. I guess they don't count for shit.
“Society is not a disease, it is a disaster. What a stupid miracle that one can live in it.” ~ E.M. Cioran
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Angelthman, where is the evidence for your weak Christian god ?
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I read and read and read your threads, but only silly ravings of alleged human superiority come from you.
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Every octopus has more brain than a human who kneels before a non existing Christian god!
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So octopussys are superior to christian sissys!
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That must mean, no it must be the evidence for a tentacled Octopus-god!!!!!!
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RE: Evidence God Exists
There are intelligent species other than humans. just because they dont have technology like we do doesnt mean that there not intelligent. also its the other way around man created god in his image.
"Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions" -Frater Ravus
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