So did Atheism + bite the dust?

[Lucanus]

Oh no you didn't...

Did I miss something? When I've heard the word "wolf" used in reference to people, it's usually of a predatory sexual type. Is Bad Wolf female?

It's a Doctor Who reference

[Bad Wolf]

Not all of them. And by the way, "Bad Wolf" sounds like a male name. If you are in fact a guy, I challenge you to go find some so-called "feminazis," and tell them to their faces that they aren't real feminists. Tell them that you, a man, know what feminism really is, and that they are using the word wrongly.

I believe you will look comical with a dictionary shoved up your ass.

And what would be the point in that? What value does their opinion hold?

You keep saying that, and you are still wrong. The problem is that you aren't looking at the word, but how it is applied in your world, by the people you personally know who identify by that word. The word means what it means, and no matter how many times you describe your particular flavor of Feminism™, your word does not cover many people who use the word "feminist" about themselves and do not mean what you want to force them to mean.

Just because people wrongly use the word, doesn't mean that the word becomes that. You can call yourself a feminist all you want, but that doesn't make you one.You can call yourself a billionaire as well, but it does nothing to alter the fact that you aren't. You keep telling me that 'my' definition of feminism is wrong, but where are you getting yours?

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She is so bossy." Etc etc etc.

Calling a woman 'bossy' is mysoginistic now?

[TheMessiah]

Please god, let it be true. I will even pretend to believe in you if that horrid website disappears. (No questions asked.)

I'm glad Atheism + didn't take off, they were fucking assholes

[bennyboy]

And what would be the point in that? What value does their opinion hold?

You keep saying that, and you are still wrong. The problem is that you aren't looking at the word, but how it is applied in your world, by the people you personally know who identify by that word. The word means what it means, and no matter how many times you describe your particular flavor of Feminism™, your word does not cover many people who use the word "feminist" about themselves and do not mean what you want to force them to mean.

Just because people wrongly use the word, doesn't mean that the word becomes that. You can call yourself a feminist all you want, but that doesn't make you one.You can call yourself a billionaire as well, but it does nothing to alter the fact that you aren't. You keep telling me that 'my' definition of feminism is wrong, but where are you getting yours?

Do you know what "feminine" means? How about "-ism"?

As I've said, words mean what they mean, and not everyone uses the same definition as you. You can huff and puff about what you think is the "right" definition, but your billionaire example is full of shit. Billion is a number, and you either have it or you don't. Feminism is not numerical-- it's qualitative and subjective. You can keep thinking you're right, but reality pretty clearly indicates that there are plenty of females who call themselves feminists, and are not interested in seeing men as equals. It is not your place to define them, or to tell them how to define themselves.

The simple solution is not to bully everyone into using the same narrow definition that you do. The solution is simple communication. Ask people, "When you say you are feminist, what do you mean by that?"

[Dystopia]

Parkers here's a funny thread for you - http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1168

I am wondering what their definition of troll is

Calling a woman 'bossy' is mysoginistic now?

Wolf, the word "Bossy" is not misogynistic in itself but it's usually applied in a context of female leadership when the woman is acting too "bossy" and needs to be put in her place. When you have a female boss or any woman giving orders because it's her job chances are someone will eventually think she is acting too bossy for a woman - Replace her with a man and people will just accept him since it's normal for a man to be assertive and aggressive (it's the manly thing to do) - Of course this depends on the context and the word "bossy" can sometimes be used against men, but most of the times it reflects sexist gender roles against women - Men are aggressive and it's fine for them to be leaders // Women are passive and shouldn't be too bossy and shout orders.

[Losty]

Or...I don't know...I never really liked having a bossy boss at all. He wasn't a woman but he was always shouting orders at you as if offended you hadn't already done whatever thing even though it wasn't part of your job nor had he ever asked you to do it.

Calling a woman bossy isn't misogynistic at all. Saying you're too bossy for a woman you need to pipe down is, but even saying "you're so bossy, I hate you, you're fat and ugly and stupid and I wish I could legally punch you in the face." isn't misogynistic just because it's said to a woman. Everyone is allowed to have people they dislike regardless of their gender.

[Bad Wolf]

As I've said, words mean what they mean, and not everyone uses the same definition as you. You can huff and puff about what you think is the "right" definition, but your billionaire example is full of shit. Billion is a number, and you either have it or you don't.

Feminism is a position, you either want gender equality or not.

Feminism is not numerical-- it's qualitative and subjective. You can keep thinking you're right, but reality pretty clearly indicates that there are plenty of females who call themselves feminists, and are not interested in seeing men as equals.

They can call themselves whatever the fuck they want, doesn't make any difference.

It is not your place to define them, or to tell them how to define themselves.

Yes it is. There are people out there who literally believe that they are animals of a different species. They clearly are not. Is it not my place to point out that their definition of themselves is not correct? You are either a human or you are not. You are either for equality of the sexes or you aren't.
Your arugment is like calling a christian an athiest because he doensn't believe in all the other gods, they are so similar to atheists in that view. Still doesn't make them an atheist.

The simple solution is not to bully everyone into using the same narrow definition that you do. The solution is simple communication. Ask people, "When you say you are feminist, what do you mean by that?"

Bullshit. When you say you are female, what do you mean by that? When you say you are male, what do you mean by that? When you say you have brown hair, what do you mean by that? Words have definitions for a reason. Yet for some reason, the definition of feminism made by the feminist movement is wrong in your eyes and still you wont provide a definition of your own.

[Dystopia]

Or...I don't know...I never really liked having a bossy boss at all. He wasn't a woman but he was always shouting orders at you as if offended you hadn't already done whatever thing even though it wasn't part of your job nor had he ever asked you to do it.

Calling a woman bossy isn't misogynistic at all. Saying you're too bossy for a woman you need to pipe down is, but even saying "you're so bossy, I hate you, you're fat and ugly and stupid and I wish I could legally punch you in the face." isn't misogynistic just because it's said to a woman. Everyone is allowed to have people they dislike regardless of their gender.

That doesn't erase the context in which the word is frequently used. Hey, bosses are supposed to be bossy!!! Being assertive is still seen as a masculine trait and not feminine.

I don't know why being fat and ugly is such a big deal to hate people, I don't hate fat and ugly people (and beauty isn't objective) and I don't think we should punch people in the face just because we hate them.

[Losty]

Neither do I, but then my point flew right over your head, didn't it?

Calling someone a name doesn't make you a misogynist. It's that simple. You can call a woman bossy or even a bitch. You can call her a cunt. You can tell her off with a string of insults about all the things you hate about her, even if that list is bossy, loud, annoying, pushy, bitch, etc. it doesn't make you a misogynist just for saying those things to a woman. Perhaps you happen to hate that specific woman. I'm not saying you should or that hating anyone is a good thing. I'm just saying it doesn't make you a misogynist.

[Dystopia]

No of course not, but it does make you if you hold the internalized belief that it is wrong for a woman to be aggressive but it's totally fine for a man to have the same behaviour, because he's a man. Just make the following test - Would you call a man in the same circumstances a bossy bitch? If so, you are not sexist. If you answered no, then sorry but it's sexist