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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 12:44 pm
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Right. I'm glad you read a bit of it Huggy, but evolution doesn't work by your framework. Gradual changes over time. Lots of little changes equal a big change. It's not much more complicated than that at a fundamental level. If you "expect" one species to transform into something entirely different, you need to go back and read more about it. And there's plenty more.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 12:50 pm
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 12:51 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 11:38 am)Drich Wrote: why?
Sorry didn't realize you responded.
Its pretty embarrassing to pretend adults will take something as ridiculous as a capital C being anything more than using Grammar.
mark is just the name of some bloke. Mark with a big M is a fucking awesome bloke, which happens to be me.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 1:02 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 12:44 pm)robvalue Wrote: Right. I'm glad you read a bit of it Huggy, but evolution doesn't work by your framework. Gradual changes over time. Lots of little changes equal a big change. It's not much more complicated than that at a fundamental level. If you "expect" one species to transform into something entirely different, you need to go back and read more about it. And there's plenty more.
Yes, and that gradual change is considered to be "speciation" and by the definitions given in your article, a different species?
In my example of the selective breeding slaves, would you consider African-Americans a different species of human? considering they fall under the same definition.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm
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If they can no longer interbreed, they are considered to have speciated.
Are you aware of the time scales were talking about here?
If two forms of human can no longer interbreed then you'd say they have speciated. If not, then they haven't yet. I'm no expert but that's the general gist.
Again, if you're expecting really quick speciation you will be disappointed. It typically takes a long time, though not always.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 1:07 pm
I don't give two shits what your view of a species is. You are wrong. The scientific consensus is that speciation has happened. If you want to argue "kinds" go ahead. It doesn't mean you're right or give your arguments any credibility. The definition of species that is commonly used and the one I know of through biology courses says that yes, speciation occurs. Often.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 1:09 pm
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Right, please don't play word games. Words are arbitrary in the end. Evolution happens, small changes happen, splits occur where interbreeding can no longer happen, and eventually a lot and I mean a LOT of small changes make what is a visible big change.
But to just say something is "a frog" is a simplification and will be including huge numbers of transitional forms.
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February 13, 2015 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 1:16 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm)robvalue Wrote: If they can no longer interbreed, they are considered to have speciated.
Are you aware of the time scales were talking about here?
If two forms of human can no longer interbreed then you'd say they have speciated. If not, then they haven't yet. I'm no expert but that's the general gist.
Again, if you're expecting really quick speciation you will be disappointed. It typically takes a long time, though not always.
Exactly. Given enough time and genetic isolation, it is possible a new species would result. But, in the slave case, there was neither time nor genetic isolation.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 13, 2015 at 1:18 pm
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