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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 12:40 pm
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(February 13, 2015 at 11:45 am)whateverist Wrote: I've certainly heard that before but I've never found it very likely. The counting numbers are also infinite but, go as far as you like, you'll never find the number 3 again no matter how far past 4 you go.
True, and I don't think in an infinite amount of realities any of them would actually be you.
But think of it this way, there are many, many parameters that led to you becoming you - DNA, experience, the experiences of your ancestors, and so on - that each have a probability of coming into existence. With an infinite amount of universe springing up(which would bring up an infinite set of parameters), it would be inevitable that eventually a universe with parameters that played out in a nearly identical manner to this one would pop up. It wouldn't be "you," but someone nearly identical to you would exist.
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 12:41 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 11:35 am)Gessle Wrote: Sorry if I was implying that consciousness is unique to "you". I guess I was just exploring the idea of possibly living an infinite amount of times in an infinite amount of universes. The more I try to think about this and specify what I mean my head starts to hurt.
You are not living an infinite amount of lives. An infinity of very close copies of you each live one life, each locked out from the memories and experiences of the others.
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 1:41 pm
It's too complicated so it's not true.
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 5:14 pm
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(February 13, 2015 at 9:20 am)Gessle Wrote: Not sure if this was a quote I read somewhere but I've always thought is sounded cool. "Maybe we're destined to do this dance forever." I would love to hear some of your guys' thoughts on consciousness or the multiverse if it even exists.
You don't need a multiverse to do this dance forever. A regular universe works just fine. From a physics standpoint there is nothing special about what you call "present". "Past" and "future" are just as valid and real as the "present". Somewhere in this universe is you sucking on your mom's teat. This video does a good job of explaining what I am talking about.
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Borges said that in an infinite universe all possibilities will be exhausted. For a quick and good read, I suggest his short story "The Library of Babel". I think it deals the issue in a thought provoking way even without invoking the concept of a multiverse.
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Bravo Heywood, you got my kudos for referencing Brian Green.  I was thinking about this myself.
I question my own understanding of Relativity here because it seems to imply multiple (but not infinite) universes by itself. I think you would have as many universes as you have Plank time units since the Big Bang. Only one 'you' but forever existing. Still just one life. There is that moment you were born through the moment when you die. All of those moments in between exist for the life of the universe though.
I know there are people here who have a better understanding of this than me (Alex K). Maybe they can chime in on this.
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 5:48 pm
I can't watch the Greene vid now. What was the connections of B theory of time with the question in the OP again?
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 6:03 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: I can't watch the Greene vid now. What was the connections of B theory of time with the question in the OP again?
A very weak connection. The B theory of time states all of time already exist like all of space already exist. So person A can contiunously jump into a frame where person B never dies. Hence, person B lives "forever".
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 6:05 pm
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(February 13, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Surgenator Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: I can't watch the Greene vid now. What was the connections of B theory of time with the question in the OP again?
A very weak connection. The B theory of time states all of time already exist like all of space already exist. So person A can contiunously jump into a frame where person B never dies. Hence, person B lives "forever".
That's true it seems, and of little practical use for person B 
I see no connection. Heywood?
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RE: Thoughts on a multiverse/consciousness
February 13, 2015 at 6:14 pm
The OP talks about us living multiple lives because there are multiple copies of us in other universes. The Greene video says that within a single universe, there is no absolute time. Two observers traveling at different speeds and observing from different points in space will disagree on what time it is. To you and I, it is the month of February in the year 2015. To another observer, it is July in the year 1990. Special Relativity (if I understand it correctly) says both are equally valid. The observation of all observers is equally valid. This implies that all points in time exist.
I didn't mean to put you on the spot, Alex K. Respond when it is convenient to you, of course.
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