Would You Respond?

[Thumpalumpacus]

When family members email me like that, I ask to be removed from the circulation.

[robvalue]

Or cut off their circulation.

[polar bear]

I have a friend who is a right wing nut job. We have been friends for more than 30 years. He never was political. All of a sudden he thinks it is his duty to send be shit like this. I used to respond but it was costing us our friendship. We agreed to not send anything political to each other...he still does and I just delete it when I read the title.

[downbeatplumb]

Here's a question I was thinking about. This email was sent to me by my grandfather to me and a bunch of other people...

I've gotten random political things from him in the past and I kind of just ignore it... Had this been sent by almost anyone else, I'd be all over this email lol.

Question is... is there anyone in your family that you simply won't bother responding to out of fear of confrontation?

I know my grandpa is extremely set in his ways and responding will just start a war of responses that would never end!

> > This makes perfect sense, but hell, the democrats are anxious to change and rewrite our Constitution. maybe the dems could increase their ranks by throwing some of this into their agenda and they couldn't be beaten, right? Isn't that what DC Leftist is about, say and do anything to get control of the most wealthy and powerful nation on earth? I'm sure some of you will buy into it because Jon Stewart will get behind it:
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> > CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????
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> > This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.
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> > Can a good Muslim be a good American?
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> > This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
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> > Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
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> > Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)
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> > Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
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> > Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
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> > Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
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> > Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
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> > Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )
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> > Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
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> > Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
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> > Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
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> > Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
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> > The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!
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> > Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
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> > THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.
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> > Please don't delete this until you send it on.

Can southerners be good americans?

They have fought a long and bloody war to remove themselves from the US.

They hold ideas on religion that go against the constitution, namely to invegal religion into government

You can make arguments for any group in this way, just make your own straw men and have at em.

The truth is Muslims can be valued members of any nation most are very nice.

Like all religions its the fundamentalists that you need to watch out for

[Faith No More]

I know my grandpa is extremely set in his ways and responding will just start a war of responses that would never end!

I think you have your answer then.

[emilynghiem]

Hi wolf39us

1. If you aren't prepared for a long rocky conversation that can end badly, don't go there. There are people who can handle these guys, but it takes Muslims with Christian or Constitutional backgrounds who can connect with either Christians on the Bible or political types on the Constitution.

If you don't prescribe to either Christianity or the Constitution, it is almost impossible to connect with such people on their level where they won't see you as a threat or division against their sacred laws.

2. You can refer links to the Muslim Tea Party website (I think it's under Muslims4liberty (?) but this might freak them out even more: http://www.illumemagazine.com/zine/artic...ment-14153

For reference, I explained to people that true Muslims are taught to respect ALL sent by God and recognize Jewish, Christian and Muslim as "people of the Book." So the true Muslims are also good Christians following the Bible and also good Constitutionalists because they believe in the same natural laws of democracy that Mohammad established through decrees, including "no compulsion in religion" or religious freedom. Some even go so far as to claim that the Constitutional principles were influenced by precedents set by Mohammad. They are that compatible.
(the Jihadists leaving out Christianity and the Bible from Islam are as "antichrist" as Hitler and Klan considering themselves Christians following the Bible but abusing it for political oppression; people who cannot distinguish Jihadists from Muslims are like people who can't distinguish Klan Zionists or Hitler from Christians.)

If this is not your background, leave it for other people to defend. This is a common issue on political forums and you can refer people there.
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[Chad32]

Haha. A christian would be whining pretty fucking quickly and calling the police if his precious biblical laws were actually used to replace secular laws.

Wasn't it Alabama that passed the amendment that said they couldn't base their state laws on "foreign" laws to head off Sharia Law - and then didn't realize that that would mean they couldn't justify anything by citing the bible because it would also be considered foreign law?


Don't you love when they shoot themselves in the foot like that?

Yes, I remember voting on that. Of course the first amendment of the constitution is already supposed to protect against it, unless you think religious freedom only counts for christian denominations.

[Kitty Galore]

I have a friend who is a right wing nut job. We have been friends for more than 30 years. He never was political. All of a sudden he thinks it is his duty to send be shit like this. I used to respond but it was costing us our friendship. We agreed to not send anything political to each other...he still does and I just delete it when I read the title.

I have had co workers and long time friends get brain washed by Rush, Lars, and Fox. There's others, I just don't follow and know who they are. I listened to the radio shows to get a laugh sometimes, but found myself furious instead. So I stopped. Anyway, to answer your question, no I wouldn't respond. You will not change his mind. And it will just alienate and cause problems. I also feel everyone has a right to be wrong. LOL

I just wish there weren't so many.

[AFTT47]

Someone needs to explain to this guy that the constitution isn't based on biblical principles, so a muslim can be a good American. Can a christian be a good American? Not if he thinks america should be a theocracy, and our laws based on any holy book.

Yes, for that reason, I would go down grandpa's throat. Claims that the constitution is based on the bible is a dangerous LIE and imo, it must always be answered.