Christian recall notice

[robvalue]

Thanks very much

[Tonus]

It is a pretty cool story, though.

[ether-ore]

[The Reality Salesman01]

I'm not asking you to prove your God. Notice the subtle difference in this request.

Neither you, nor I believe in Allah and yet there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. Of those Muslims, many of them will say that you are praying to the wrong God and the path you've chosen, while noble to you, earns you the same fate as an unbeliever like me. Notice that this doesn't concern you in the least. If they're right, neither you or myself will be in the company of God after this life and neither one of us seem to care. Personally, I don't think any of you have good reasons to believe that any one of you is actually following any form of divine command, and so the Muslims and their ideas concerning my eternal destination do not worry me in the least. Sureky youve considered the fact that there are more options other than belief in the God that ether-ore thinks is right-or not. There are lots of other options. Im not asking you to prove your God. I know you don't follow your religion simply because it makes you feel good. You do and everyone else follow your religions because you have an idea in your head regarding the existence of a specific God and you are certain that what you are doing is what they want you to do. What I'm asking you to tell me is-How can you know that the others are wrong? What if they're right, and you've devoted your life to a folly? What can you say to the Jihadist Muslim who says that the way you've chosen to live your life is wrong? Why are they wrong? How do you know? Remember, they have faith as well, but in the end, either somebody is going to be right or somebody is seriously going to be wrong. Why should I be concerned about any of this?

[Mr.wizard]

I'm not asking you to prove your God. Notice the subtle difference in this request.

Neither you, nor I believe in Allah and yet there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. Of those Muslims, many of them will say that you are praying to the wrong God and the path you've chosen, while noble to you, earns you the same fate as an unbeliever like me. Notice that this doesn't concern you in the least. If they're right, neither you or myself will be in the company of God after this life and neither one of us seem to care. Personally, I don't think any of you have good reasons to believe that any one of you is actually following any form of divine command, and so the Muslims and their ideas concerning my eternal destination do not worry me in the least. Sureky youve considered the fact that there are more options other than belief in the God that ether-ore thinks is right-or not. There are lots of other options. Im not asking you to prove your God. I know you don't follow your religion simply because it makes you feel good. You do and everyone else follow your religions because you have an idea in your head regarding the existence of a specific God and you are certain that what you are doing is what they want you to do. What I'm asking you to tell me is-How can you know that the others are wrong? What if they're right, and you've devoted your life to a folly? What can you say to the Jihadist Muslim who says that the way you've chosen to live your life is wrong? Why are they wrong? How do you know? Remember, they have faith as well, but in the end, either somebody is going to be right or somebody is seriously going to be wrong. Why should I be concerned about any of this?

What if the Muslims are right, does he then change his tune on sharia law, suicide bombings, and beheadings, does he then worship that god? I think that's always an interesting question to pose to believers who are arguing the superiority of their religion over another.

[The Reality Salesman01]

That's my entire point. I want to know how he reconciles Muslim certainty with his own. Either every Muslim in the world is lying, or they're mistaken about the authenticity of their God. Since either-ore's God cannot be "also right", the direct implication is that he either-ore has not considered the Muslim position and thereby cannot exclude it or any other competing religion from being the correct one, or he can demonstrate the authenticity of his God and can successfully refute any and all imposters. In the former scenario, his credibility is completely zero and is in no position to speak of his God with any degree of certainty. If the latter is true, the rational move for us and all others would be to accept his position and become Mormons.

[Losty]

[Mr.wizard]

That's my entire point. I want to know how he reconciles Muslim certainty with his own. Either every Muslim in the world is lying, or they're mistaken about the authenticity of their God. Since either-ore's God cannot be "also right", the direct implication is that he either-ore has not considered the Muslim position and thereby cannot exclude it or any other competing religion from being the correct one, or he can demonstrate the authenticity of his God and can successfully refute any and all imposters. In the former scenario, his credibility is completely zero and is in no position to speak of his God with any degree of certainty. If the latter is true, the rational move for us and all others would be to accept his position and become Mormons.

I agree 100%

[Thumpalumpacus]

Ether, I think TRS's position can be summed up by the aphorism, Once you understand why you reject all other deities, you'll understand why I reject yours.

[The Reality Salesman01]

Spot on.