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Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 10:00 am
Christians, according to Christian doctrine god is necessarily all perfect, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omnipresent and omniscient. The bible is the word of god, therefore it must be entirely perfect. Do you agree with this conclusion?
Some of my Christian friends say that the bible was written by men and is therefore just a moral and spiritual guide, but it isn't perfect in its entirety. So, is the bible imperfect or half-perfect? Or is it perfect and, by consequence, all of its content has to be literally true?
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am
(March 6, 2015 at 10:00 am)Dystopia Wrote: Christians, according to Christian doctrine god is necessarily all perfect, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omnipresent and omniscient. The bible is the word of god, therefore it must be entirely perfect. Do you agree with this conclusion?
Some of my Christian friends say that the bible was written by men and is therefore just a moral and spiritual guide, but it isn't perfect in its entirety. So, is the bible imperfect or half-perfect? Or is it perfect and, by consequence, all of its content has to be literally true?
Why would a god, with all the omni attributes, let a book that is imperfect and will cause so many deaths, be written about him? He could have had his prophets write that the future bible will be imperfect so that generations wouldn't argue about which version was correct.
Note: I have been told that Calvinists do not believe that god is omnibenevolent.
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 10:25 am
(March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: Why would a god, with all the omni attributes, let a book that is imperfect and will cause so many deaths, be written about him? Mysterious ways. (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: He could have had his prophets Free will. (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: write that the future bible will be imperfect Mysterious ways (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: so that generations wouldn't argue Free will. (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: about which version Free will. (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: was cor Mysterious ways. (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: rect. (March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am)Nope Wrote: Note: I have been told that Calvinists do not believe that god is omnibenevolent.
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 11:02 am
(March 6, 2015 at 10:00 am)Dystopia Wrote: Christians, according to Christian doctrine god is necessarily all perfect, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omnipresent and omniscient. The bible is the word of god, therefore it must be entirely perfect. Do you agree with this conclusion? First things first to answer your question. No I do not believe the bible is perfect as God is perfect.
Why? Because God in the bible never claimed the bible is without error. To say it is is to speak where the bible is silent.
So what does it say? It says the bible is truth, and is all we need to establish and maintain a relationship with God.
Meaning all we need to have a direct interactive relationship with the Holy Spirit is found in the Bible. Because the Holy Spirit is indeed God, He then and his instruction is without error.
Speaking of what is and is not in the bible the doctines of an Omni max God is not mentioned anywhere. This too is a religious teaching we have adopted extra-biblically.
God only ever describes Himself as "The Great I am, The Alpha and Omega, The beginning and end to all things."
On the surface this may seem to be without meaning or trivial. In truth this title/description describes supreme power.
In short being the Great I am/Apha and Omega means God is whom ever He wants to be.
Does it mean He can create a rock so big He can't lift it? Yes! if He wants too, and No if He does not! Does it mean He is bound by the defination of Omni benovlence? Again yes if He wants to Be No if He does not. Like wise does it mean a perfect God can have a bible published that is not perfect as God is perfect? Yes if He want's to No if He does not.
So again the term Alpha and Omega/The beginning and end to all things describes a truly all powerful God. One not confined by our foolish doctrines and definations of words and the paradoxes small minds create for those words.
Quote:Some of my Christian friends say that the bible was written by men and is therefore just a moral and spiritual guide, but it isn't perfect in its entirety. So, is the bible imperfect or half-perfect? Or is it perfect and, by consequence, all of its content has to be literally true?
Again we are told the bible is truth and all we need to A/S/K for the Holy Spirit which is indeed without error because He is apart of the God Head. The bible also tells us that it is the Holy Spirit who will write all of God's laws and understanding we need on our hearts. The bible then becomes a measure or 'test' to see if it is indeed the Holy Spirit that you are dealing with as the two will not contradict.
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 11:22 am
In short no in long no.
The only thing keeping it relevant is because you know some ancient ass hole added hell to the bible.
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
(March 6, 2015 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: So what does it say? It says the bible is truth, and is all we need to establish and maintain a relationship with God.
Meaning all we need to have a direct interactive relationship with the Holy Spirit is found in the Bible. Because the Holy Spirit is indeed God, He then and his instruction is without error.
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Again we are told the bible is truth and all we need to A/S/K for the Holy Spirit which is indeed without error because He is apart of the God Head. The bible also tells us that it is the Holy Spirit who will write all of God's laws and understanding we need on our hearts. The bible then becomes a measure or 'test' to see if it is indeed the Holy Spirit that you are dealing with as the two will not contradict. Drich, what is the source for your beliefs about the Bible (quoted above)? The Bible is a collection of books that were written independently and canonized centuries later. How could any part of the Bible's text be making claims about the Bible in its entirety?
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Quote:First things first to answer your question. No I do not believe the bible is perfect as God is perfect.
So how imperfect is the bible?
Quote:Why? Because God in the bible never claimed the bible is without error. To say it is is to speak where the bible is silent.
Then is god imperfect? Why wasn't he able to write (read - Inspire people to write) a perfect the bible?
Quote:So what does it say? It says the bible is truth, and is all we need to establish and maintain a relationship with God.
What if it's imperfect?
Quote:Meaning all we need to have a direct interactive relationship with the Holy Spirit is found in the Bible. Because the Holy Spirit is indeed God, He then and his instruction is without error.
So if we have a connection with the holy spirit everything else can be ignored and we are saved?
Quote:Speaking of what is and is not in the bible the doctines of an Omni max God is not mentioned anywhere. This too is a religious teaching we have adopted extra-biblically.
Who invented that?
Quote:God only ever describes Himself as "The Great I am, The Alpha and Omega, The beginning and end to all things."
On the surface this may seem to be without meaning or trivial. In truth this title/description describes supreme power.
Yes, supposedly it looks that way
Quote:In short being the Great I am/Apha and Omega means God is whom ever He wants to be.
So god is a chameleon?
Quote:Does it mean He can create a rock so big He can't lift it? Yes! if He wants too, and No if He does not! Does it mean He is bound by the defination of Omni benovlence? Again yes if He wants to Be No if He does not. Like wise does it mean a perfect God can have a bible published that is not perfect as God is perfect? Yes if He want's to No if He does not.
If he is omnibenevolent why can he commit evil?
Quote:So again the term Alpha and Omega/The beginning and end to all things describes a truly all powerful God. One not confined by our foolish doctrines and definations of words and the paradoxes small minds create for those words.
Christian English is complicated, translate that to regular English
Quote:Again we are told the bible is truth and all we need to A/S/K for the Holy Spirit which is indeed without error because He is apart of the God Head. The bible also tells us that it is the Holy Spirit who will write all of God's laws and understanding we need on our hearts. The bible then becomes a measure or 'test' to see if it is indeed the Holy Spirit that you are dealing with as the two will not contradict.
Explain this better. Is the bible perfect or not? and if it isn't, how do you know which parts are the truth about god and which aren't?
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 8:40 pm
Drich, for an omnipotent being, your god has a lot of trouble communicating. Does he have an ASD or something?
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 8:50 pm
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(March 6, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Drich, for an omnipotent being, your god has a lot of trouble communicating. Does he have an ASD or something? With all of the Christian mystical gibberish spread about and incomprehensible language, I'm beginning to think god may be a Tamarian.
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 6, 2015 at 8:54 pm
(This post was last modified: March 6, 2015 at 9:47 pm by vorlon13.)
Implying God's Word is imperfect violates a Commandment.
Scripture also notes God is not the author of confusion, and we also read ALL Scripture is suitable . . .
Seems like the wrong parts would be confusing and unsuitable, unless the 'confusing' and 'ALL Scripture' verses are also confusing and unsuitable.
Do the Christers REALLY want to go down this road ????
REALLY ????????
Best they bite their lip and stick with Literally True and Inerrant, lest the fuck they whole edifice.
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