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Indiana's Govenor Signs 'Religious Freedom' Bill
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Specifically in the case of business being legally able to refuse service to african americans, Mezmo. If they use their religious obejction as a justification, why couldn't a business refuse service to blacks, or jews?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
Because the legacy of oppression, slavery and genocide, speaks to a strong compelling state interest and the need for government intrusion that even I as a libertarian find necessary. Using the threat of government to make the inclination towards sodomy a protected class to me is not as threatening as governmental overreach. Not getting a cake is much less harmful to a free society than having your livelihood destroyed by the state.
Wow, mezmo, that's some insane shit right there. You act as if homosexuals have never had any sort of oppression (or rather "not enough" to pique your interest) in America. You sure have a strange and arbitrary way of choosing your protected classes, once they've hit your threshold of "they've suffered enough". Sorry dude, that's not how we make laws.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson  (April 2, 2015 at 10:41 am)Mezmo! Wrote:(April 2, 2015 at 8:52 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Ah, then by that reasoning you'd be fine with the bakery turning away all african american...Never. The black experience in America isn't even remotely comparable to homosexuality. I've never heard of institutionalised gay slavery. Have you. ![[Image: head-in-the-sand.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=j9iwlqommw-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2Fhead-in-the-sand.jpg) Saying that they're not the same because one group hasn't been enslaved is to not recognize the many similarities between the civil rights movement in the 50's and 60's in America, and the civil rights movement happening now for the LGBTQ. There has been widespread, systematic discrimination against both African Americans and those who identify as LGBTQ. Quote:Did gays ever have to use separate water fountains and swimming pools. Don't think so. There might have been this kind of discrimination if you could identify a gay person at a glance like you can an African American.
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And I'm guessing he'll use the Holocaust as to why it's not okay to turn away jews. They've hit his suffering threshold for legal protection, apparently.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
My god. Spin the wheel of persecution. Who's it OK to pick on today?
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (April 2, 2015 at 10:55 am)Mezmo! Wrote: Because the legacy of oppression, slavery and genocide, speaks to a strong compelling state interest and the need for government intrusion that even I as a libertarian find necessary. Using the threat of government to make the inclination towards sodomy a protected class to me is not as threatening as governmental overreach. Not getting a cake is much less harmful to a free society than having your livelihood destroyed by the state. So essentially your religion just needs to hurt the gays so much that it finally touches that little shred of empathy inside you, so that you feel bad enough to finally stop hurting them so much, and then they can have protection under the law. That's literally your reasoning here. You sound like a psychopath.
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April 2, 2015 at 11:15 am
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2015 at 11:18 am by robvalue.)
It's ok to hurt gays a little, yeah. Flicking their earlobes is probably OK. Spitting on their car is probably OK. Shouting at their cat is probably OK. Smearing shit up their door? Hmm... well, not more than once a month. Punching their kid in the face? Yeah.... ok no, that's not OK. Not until we get the theocracy back online anyway. Hey how did a gay have a kid? Take the kid away and burn it!
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (April 2, 2015 at 10:41 am)Mezmo! Wrote:The difference is only a matter of degree.(April 2, 2015 at 8:52 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Ah, then by that reasoning you'd be fine with the bakery turning away all african american...Never. The black experience in America isn't even remotely comparable to homosexuality. I've never heard of institutionalised gay slavery. Have you. Did gays ever have to use separate water fountains and swimming pools. Don't think so. We did see black people refused service at public venues, though. We did see several states outlawing interracial marriage. And the arguments for continued segregation and against interracial marriage can be found in the Bible and were used by the fundamentalists who wanted nothing more than to feel good about their religion-fed bigotry.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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April 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2015 at 12:55 pm by downbeatplumb.
Edit Reason: I didn't in the end.
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I like the irony of the "religious freedom bill" being about repression.
It's like they are deliberately invoking 1984. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. |
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