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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 28, 2015 at 5:27 pm
(March 28, 2015 at 2:37 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Not to mention the big questions of why two cavities don't merge together and how do other forces are incorporated. Ideally, because they are being pushed. The boundary is going to have some unique properties because we go from something to nothing. Effectively, why do two quarks not merge? If I can show the boundary to be the schwarzschild radius under all circumstances, then we have a boundary that cannot be crossed for all waves. Right now, I am working at the large black hole level as the observations we have and the math we already have make it much easier to play with. Effectively, if I can work it out, there should be no issue reducing it to the quark level. If it does not reduce sensibly, then it is wrong. Somewhere in all this mess, inertia has to come into play also. I am still having a lot of trouble with that under any theory or hypothesis. I cannot ignore it though, it is there.
As to spin and the like, I expect that to be a result of the interaction with waves of different realities with a plank-like property that only 'allows' for specific angles that would determine the observed properties.
For those that are just lurking, a QM particle is not like a tiny grain of sand that you can pick up and look at and examine. It is only a product of observation. (more complex than that, but let us keep something simple.) Waves on the other hand, might be similar to sound waves with space acting as the medium of fluctuation.
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 28, 2015 at 6:24 pm
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The hypothetical schwarzschild radius for a 3 MeV quark is 21 orders of magnitude smaller than the planck length... Nothing that would ever play a role in observable physics. But also not the realm where one usually expects GR to be valid. To put it mildly.
Still, I'm interested if you present the very basic maths for the proposed cavity thing with no bells and whistles. Before that, talking about intersecting realities and whatnot will make you sound like a crackpot.
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 12:37 am
My $10 is on centripetal force...
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 1:43 am
(March 28, 2015 at 7:27 am)urlawyer Wrote: So gravity is awesome. It keeps my ass in my chair and my beer in the bottle (provided I hold it right side up). But why is it there? What causes it? Just things having mass? I've searched it up and all I got were ambiguous "We don't know"'s or "That's just how the universe works"'s.
Does anyone else know more on this subject? Is there even anyone studying this stuff?
Gravity is largely an illusion. If Einstein's model of gravity is correct then why don't electrons eventually get drawn into the nucleus of an atom? After all apparently the protons in the neucli attract them... In any case it doesn't exist as a force it's a property of our universe.
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 8:31 am
(March 30, 2015 at 1:43 am)Aractus Wrote: (March 28, 2015 at 7:27 am)urlawyer Wrote: So gravity is awesome. It keeps my ass in my chair and my beer in the bottle (provided I hold it right side up). But why is it there? What causes it? Just things having mass? I've searched it up and all I got were ambiguous "We don't know"'s or "That's just how the universe works"'s.
Does anyone else know more on this subject? Is there even anyone studying this stuff?
Gravity is largely an illusion. If Einstein's model of gravity is correct then why don't electrons eventually get drawn into the nucleus of an atom? After all apparently the protons in the neucli attract them... In any case it doesn't exist as a force it's a property of our universe.
Because localizing the electrons in a smaller and smaller space near the nucleus automatically lets them have a larger momentum due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which then lets them escape.
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 8:56 am
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(March 30, 2015 at 1:43 am)Aractus Wrote: Gravity is largely an illusion. If Einstein's model of gravity is correct then why don't electrons eventually get drawn into the nucleus of an atom? After all apparently the protons in the neucli attract them... In any case it doesn't exist as a force it's a property of our universe.
Gravity is an illusion? It's not a force?
I don't understand why you say these things. They seem demonstrably (and pretty obviously) false. Can you elaborate a little?
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 8:59 am
(March 30, 2015 at 8:31 am)Alex K Wrote: Because localizing the electrons in a smaller and smaller space near the nucleus automatically lets them have a larger momentum due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which then lets them escape. So are you saying that electrons' orbits are irregular not only in their location in a single sphere, but also in their distance from the nucleus?
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 1:28 pm
(March 28, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Alex K Wrote:
I am not prepared to invest in mathmatica just yet. I am going to try sage and gather all my notes. I have an old OCR program that works fairly well on handwriting. (It is all printed. I cannot read my own script.) As soon as I can put together a formal hypothesis I will present it. I am sure it will take some time. Maybe a month or two to get all my notes and organize all the math. If I cannot make it work at a black hole level then particles are definitely out. We shall see.
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 30, 2015 at 8:48 pm
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(March 30, 2015 at 8:59 am)bennyboy Wrote: (March 30, 2015 at 8:31 am)Alex K Wrote: Because localizing the electrons in a smaller and smaller space near the nucleus automatically lets them have a larger momentum due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which then lets them escape. So are you saying that electrons' orbits are irregular not only in their location in a single sphere, but also in their distance from the nucleus?
Yes, in a sense, electrons in some energy level don't have a fixed distance to the nucleus. But strictly speaking there are no such things as electron orbits, there are only wave functions giving you probability of location and momentum. The picture of a pointlike electron orbiting the nucleus is false
(March 30, 2015 at 1:28 pm)IATIA Wrote: (March 28, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Alex K Wrote:
I am not prepared to invest in mathmatica just yet. I am going to try sage and gather all my notes. I have an old OCR program that works fairly well on handwriting. (It is all printed. I cannot read my own script.) As soon as I can put together a formal hypothesis I will present it. I am sure it will take some time. Maybe a month or two to get all my notes and organize all the math. If I cannot make it work at a black hole level then particles are definitely out. We shall see.
Oh of course, there are way cheaper alternatives that will do for your purposes! Im just used to Mathematica and need it for some specialized software.
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RE: Why is there gravity?
March 31, 2015 at 1:38 am
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(March 30, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Yes, in a sense, electrons in some energy level don't have a fixed distance to the nucleus. But strictly speaking there are no such things as electron orbits, there are only wave functions giving you probability of location and momentum. The picture of a pointlike electron orbiting the nucleus is false
Could you then explain in relative layman's terms what "localizing the electrons in a smaller and smaller space near the nucleus automatically lets them have a larger momentum due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which then lets them escape" means? If the electron as a point particle is a metaphor, then it seems that statement relies heavily on that metaphor.
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