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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 1:03 pm
Here's a challenge to evolution deniers: convince me you understand evolution, then deny it.
Go.
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Down, we actually do know scientifically why people make up and believe in gods. Our species did not have the benefit of modern science when we first evolved. At the same time we also evolved to make guesses, the downside is those guesses were notoriously wrong. It did have the placebo affect of creating safety in numbers, but again, if popularity and tradition made god claims or religion valid the gods of the Egyptians would be real.
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 1:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2015 at 1:11 pm by robvalue.)
Proof of God by definition for people who don't care about honesty or reality:
God is Morgan Freeman.
Morgan Freeman exists.
Therefor, God exists.
And... Look over there!
OK, like I was saying, therefor Yahweh exists.
I've had too much chocolate I think.
Give me all your money. Or he'll do weird shit to you.
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Scientific method works like this.
Collect data based on prior established method = plug into established formula= projected outcome=hand over to independent peer review=if confirmed you have something= if not start over find your mistakes, fix them
Religion works like this.
Naked assertion <= feels right, appeal to emotion, appeal to tradition<=desired outcome......no independent peer review required. Basically it spreads through marketing, not testing.
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 2:19 pm
(April 2, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (April 2, 2015 at 8:14 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Okay, you got me, I'm completely ignorant.
The first honest thing you have said. "That's not true" C4RM5 lied
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 2:30 pm
"My religion says", they all say that. "My book says", they all say that. "You cant disprove it", they all say that. "Science gets it wrong" they all say that. "Science matches my book" they all pull that tactic too.
I'd say the simple solution to all these competing claims is that humans like the idea of a god and make them up because it feels good to them.
But, if they want to make those claims, get in line and take a number, you all do those things.
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 2:31 pm
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Don't make any enemy of science. If you want to demonstrate anything ever about reality, you need science. Don't smash up your only tools.
But if you're not interested in reality, go ahead and ditch the science.
Too much coke and chocolate.
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 5:43 pm
(April 2, 2015 at 8:03 am)C4RM5 Wrote: If evolution is so perfect explain how ancient animals would have survived if they only had part of an eye. You need a whole eye to see. Stupid, meet Euglena. Euglena, meet stupid. Then again, does an eyespot qualify as "half an eye"? I mean it's more just like... a spot.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 7:02 pm
(April 1, 2015 at 8:10 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: (April 1, 2015 at 7:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Do you also lack belief in capitalization, punctuation, and the difference between 'to' and 'too'?
Please forgive Boru; we're not Facebook. Don't let that scare you away though. We're really okay once you get to know us. 
Please be good enough to shove your request that I be forgiven.
Facebook, Schmacebook. This is a text-based - and thus a language-based - medium. If a particular individual can't express himself without making errors that would cause a 7-year old to blush with shame, then maybe that individual should find another medium. Maybe one with lots and lots of pretty pictures...
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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: i believe
April 2, 2015 at 9:28 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2015 at 9:31 pm by LiveDie1337.)
(April 2, 2015 at 2:17 am)robvalue Wrote: I think fear of death is a strong factor in why people can't let go of religion once it's been implanted in their brain. Indoctrination puts the idea in your head that you need religion, that you would be screwed without it. Because we're so aware of our own mortality, I can understand how giving up on an irrational belief in life carrying on forever is difficult.
Some people have clearly been so heavily indoctrinated that no amount of reason can get through, their minds have been so fucked with that can't distinguish reality from their mythology. I think there's a clear difference between those kinds of people, and others who I suspect know full well what a crock of shit they are defending. I feel very sorry for the first category, and I'm appalled by the intellectual dishonesty of the second.
For myself, having never been indoctrinated into any mythology, I've not had any problem accepting that nothing magical will happen to "me" after I die. Religion smacks you in the crotch then sells you crotch cream. And it teaches you to smack yourself in the crotch, so you keep needing that cream. And brain cream.
i don't understand though, as a kid i was forced to go to church and at a point i did actually believe in god, but as i grew i realized that god is just a fantasy i wanted to believe in i don't want to accept death but i know its a part of life. So why do some stay in that fantasy?
i think consciousness is a curse.
(April 1, 2015 at 7:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Do you also lack belief in capitalization, punctuation, and the difference between 'to' and 'too'?
Boru
Sorry unlike you i was born with a disorder that prevents me from learning to the fullest
my brain has gone to complete shit short term and long term memory loss is honestly a bitch.
Word of advise don't let your wife or future wife or girlfriend to consume alcohol while pregnant, it really fucks up the child.
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