Being gay is a fetish.

[Heywood]

But - and this is the point of this rambling pseudological screed - I think Heywood's incorrect about WHY we demand people not engage in certain behaviors: It's not because those behaviors are immoral, but because they cause harm.

I said I can find no non-religious reason why homosexual sex should be immoral between consenting adults.....So I agree with you. However if God finds homosexual sex to be immoral and punishes homosexuals who engage in homosexual sex by sending them to hell, then homosexual sex does cause harm.

Now that being said, does that mean I find homosexual relationships to be equivalent to heterosexual relationships? I do not. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that they should be unless God deemed it so. If they are not equivalent then why should I view them as such?

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But making it a purely moral issue cuts both ways. If the issues around homosexuality are only differences of opinion about morality, then making pro-gay public policies amounts to forcing your liberal secular irreligion onto others, in clear violation of the establishment clause of the 1st Ammendment (in the USA).

This!

[The Grand Nudger]

Sounds to me like gods doing the harming..in your summary Heywood. He should get out of consenting adults bedrooms as well, don't you think?

Mezmo, no ones going to come to your house and stuff a dick in your mouth. Breath easy. "Pro-gay" policies are policies of "equality" - google the word, it's important.

[One Above All]

But - and this is the point of this rambling pseudological screed - I think Heywood's incorrect about WHY we demand people not engage in certain behaviors: It's not because those behaviors are immoral, but because they cause harm.

I said I can find no non-religious reason why homosexual sex should be immoral between consenting adults.....So I agree with you. However if God finds homosexual sex to be immoral and punishes homosexuals who engage in homosexual sex by sending them to hell, then homosexual sex does cause harm.

Assuming there is a god, assuming said god is the one you follow, assuming said god's words as laid out in your religion's books are true, assuming (...).
Keep it up. You only make yourself look bad.

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Breath easy.

He won't be able to if someone comes into his house and stuffs a dick in his mouth.

[Heywood]

Sounds to me like gods doing the harming..in your summary Heywood.

I don't pretend that I am in a position to judge God.  How could I when I'm not even sure God cares about the issue?  Other people are sure God cares about the issue.  I don't judge them either.

Unlike you, a bigot so blind he can't see his own bigotry, I am tolerate all views.  I only draw the line when you try to force your values on others by imposing on their free will and their fundamental right to be self determinant.

[Neo-Scholastic]

... "Pro-gay" policies are policies of "equality" - google the word, it's important.

Not when public funds are used to sponsor a Gay Pride parade or when a court order forces you to take 'sensitivity' training. 

[One Above All]

... "Pro-gay" policies are policies of "equality" - google the word, it's important.

Not when public funds are used to sponsor a Gay Pride parade or when a court order forces you to take 'sensitivity' training. 

Like the Black Pride parades or sensitivity training for racists?

[Neo-Scholastic]

Not when public funds are used to sponsor a Gay Pride parade or when a court order forces you to take 'sensitivity' training. 

Like the Black Pride parades or sensitivity training for racists?

You cannot compare opposition to self-selected identity and voluntary behaviors with biological determined features. It's a major category error. 

[abaris]

Unlike you, a bigot so blind he can't see his own bigotry, I am tolerate all views.  I only draw the line when you try to force your values on others by imposing on their free will and their fundamental right to be self determinant.

That's rich. You trying to defend people, who do nothing but trying to force their views on others. If they're bigoted in their own little circle jerk, have at it hoss. But if they try to enforce legislation to legally discriminate against people, it's quite a different tune.

And you do nothing but speaking for god by constantly saying, you could imagine god would do this or that, be against this or that and yada, yada, yada. Truth is, you have your own puny little blueprint of god, speaking with your own puny little voice derived from your puny little understanding of your puny little book dreamt up 2000 years ago by some half nomadic desert dwellers.

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You cannot compare opposition to self-selected identity and voluntary behaviors with biological determined features. It's a major category error. 

Or self selected ignorance for that matter.

[One Above All]

Like the Black Pride parades or sensitivity training for racists?

You cannot compare opposition to self-selected identity and voluntary behaviors with biological determined features. It's a major category error. 

That's true. Now, what does that have to do with homosexuality?

[thesummerqueen]

Yes, because being ordered to treat a human being like a human being after (presumably, if you're in a court, after committing a crime) is SUCH a bad thing.

The longer I'm here, the more the resident theists make me sick. What happened to all the good ones that used to be here.