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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 16, 2015 at 3:49 pm
I was born with flat feet which makes it painful to walk or even stand after long periods of time. Thanks a lot rib woman, clayman, and talking snake!
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2015 at 4:11 pm by cocunningham.)
First I want to say I'm sorry to hear about both of your chronic conditions. My wife has recently been diagnosed with a rare chronic illness that causes her quite a bit of discomfort so I know how hard it can be sometimes.
To the original post going to pay devil's advocate for a moment. It is a common belief that our faith is tested through trials. Let's not forget the book of job. So our hardships are to prove our dedication to god rather than being fair weather followers.
Now back to reality. The concept that an omnipotent creator who made us in their image then does cruel things to us so we can prove our love for them is unconditional seems a bit sadistic. The biggest reason why religion has survived and will continue to do so despite obvious gaps is it's ability to explain the unknown and in a way to play on our ego. Everything was made for us and this immortal all powerful parent figure is interested in all of us individuality.
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 16, 2015 at 4:12 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2015 at 4:19 pm by KevinM1.
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(April 16, 2015 at 3:42 pm)robvalue Wrote: Sorry, didn't mean to bring you down.
I know what you mean, I guess if you know no different it's easier in some sense.
You seem to be coping very well, as far as I can tell from your posts 
Yeah, well, it's reality, you know? I mean, I obviously have times where things just get frustrating and suck, and I feel down on myself, but on the whole I'm pretty even keel because there's no use dwelling on what can't change. I've gone through a fair amount to get to this point in my life (~43 or so surgeries, and the rehab associated with it to get the mobility I currently enjoy), so I'm not going to waste what opportunities I do have.
(April 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm)cocunningham Wrote: First I want to say I'm sorry to hear about both of your chronic conditions. My wife has recently been diagnosed with a rare chronic illness that causes her quite a bit of discomfort so I know how hard it can be sometimes.
To the original post going to pay devil's advocate for a moment. It is a common belief that our faith is tested through trials. Let's not forget the book of job. So our hardships are to prove our dedication to god rather than being fair weather followers.
Now back to reality. The concept that an omnipotent creator who made us in their image then does cruel things to us so we can prove our love for them is unconditional seems a bit sadistic. The biggest reason why religion has survived and will continue to do so despite obvious gaps is it's ability to explain the unknown and in a way to play on our ego. Everything was made for us and this immortal all powerful parent figure is interested in all of us individuality.
Hey, good first post. Welcome to this wonderful den of heresy and debauchery!
Sorry to hear about your wife. I hope both of you are doing well.
And, yeah, I definitely get your point. My disability doesn't bring me closer to the notion of god. Instead, it gives me first hand experience in how utterly ridiculous his purported setup actually is, and solidifies why I could never worship or otherwise praise such a creature. What opportunities I have in life are due to a loving family, modern medicine, and my own tenacity. There are people with similar conditions (and definitely worse) who weren't lucky enough to have that kind of supportive environment, and unduly suffer because they were simply born in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 16, 2015 at 5:34 pm
(April 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Most theists shift the goalposts. They don't think that their god will heal them directly, but that their god will send the appropriate medical staff and treatments their way as part of his "acting through agents" schtick.
They'll also point to the statistical anomalies that have had their conditions disappear/subside in a "miraculous" way as proof of their god healing people.
It's a good thing Christians can convince themselves that god works through doctors. Think of the case where a couple was charged with child neglect after they let their 12 year old daughter die of diabetes by praying over her instead of taking her to a doctor. My sister, who was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes when she was 7, is fortunate that our mother, who is deep into the "Word of Faith" movement, was able to reconcile taking her to the doctor and faith.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 16, 2015 at 9:19 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2015 at 9:20 pm by robvalue.)
Cocunning: thank you very much, nice to meet you. I'm sorry your wife has to suffer through one of these things too. I think "a bit sadistic" is going easy on the guy  He's a full-on deranged top level sadist of unmatched vitriol. He can stick his tests up his holy hole. This is not how you show you love someone, this is how you show you are mental and should be removed from power.
Rhonda: I agree. I don't care what Olympic mental gymnastics theists have to perform, as long as the end result is what an atheist would do sane. The idea God is working through doctors is particularly stupid because god has limited himself by our own medical discoveries and our resources. But sure, the doctors have God in their hearts theists if that's what it takes to take your kids there and not just sit around praying.
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April 16, 2015 at 11:22 pm
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"Works through medicine", always did love that one. Guess that means gods in the suppositories to, don't it?
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 17, 2015 at 5:58 am
If so, there's no excuse for them not taking Min's advice.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
(April 16, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "Works through medicine", always did love that one. Guess that means gods in the suppositories to, don't it?
Idunno about God, but Anusius sure as hell is.
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 17, 2015 at 11:38 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2015 at 11:49 am by Rhondazvous.)
(April 16, 2015 at 9:19 pm)robvalue Wrote: Cocunning: thank you very much, nice to meet you. I'm sorry your wife has to suffer through one of these things too. I think "a bit sadistic" is going easy on the guy He's a full-on deranged top level sadist of unmatched vitriol. He can stick his tests up his holy hole. This is not how you show you love someone, this is how you show you are mental and should be removed from power.
Rhonda: I agree. I don't care what Olympic mental gymnastics theists have to perform, as long as the end result is what an atheist would do sane. The idea God is working through doctors is particularly stupid because god has limited himself by our own medical discoveries and our resources. But sure, the doctors have God in their hearts theists if that's what it takes to take your kids there and not just sit around praying.
If it were left up to some Christians, the Apostolic Creed would be incorporated into the Hippocratic Oath. I'd better hush before they get any ideas.
(April 16, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "Works through medicine", always did love that one. Guess that means gods in the suppositories to, don't it?
Welcome to the Celestial Apothecary. We cure all. Unless, or course, you've got a pre-existing condition, in which case you're out of luck right now. But we're working on it.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
April 17, 2015 at 1:10 pm
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(April 16, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "Works through medicine", always did love that one. Guess that means gods in the suppositories to, don't it?
prepare your anus.  I'm totally devastated by these Christians I keep seeing posting their dribble on facebook. I'm not the brightest individually, both mathematically or grammatically. I still see so much IDIOCY... their minds have so much potential, yet.. indoctrination has destroyed their evolutionary purpose of finding answers. I don't know why it hurts me so, I should just laugh. I'm at the point, from looking around at nature and it's order, that believing in YEC crap is just numbing my mind to the point of blahing myself in the blah with blah. lol
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