Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?

[Longhorn]

Yeah, you can surely tell after your 4 posts and 37 minutes spent online

My time spent online is somehow an indicator of that (?)

Well, you've obviously been here for so long and seen so much, your not at all hasty judgement must be 100% accurate

[IAOALGIV]

My time spent online is somehow an indicator of that (?)

Well, you've obviously been here for so long and seen so much, your not at all hasty judgement must be 100% accurate

That's your second and last try at aiming sarcasm at me. Remember less is more and punctuation is key. 

[Longhorn]

Well, you've obviously been here for so long and seen so much, your not at all hasty judgement must be 100% accurate

That's your second and last try at aiming sarcasm at me. Remember less is more and punctuation is key. 

Um, where did that come from and wth is that supposed to mean? Your fourth post and on your first day here is an unbased and uninformed generalisation regarding this forum, don't be surprised when someone calls out your bullshit

Oh, and I'm totally bothered by you pointing out my punctuation

/derail

[Esquilax]

Yeah, sorry, but your "it doesn't not say they were prepared!" fantasies aren't an argument; we're not obligated to take the most charitable possible interpretation of your book just because you'd like it if we did.

This forum is extremely lacking in consideration. 

Only contextually. I've been dealing with GC for years, my lack of patience with him is well earned.

You should see me with people who haven't earned my ire; we get along quite well. If you drop the hasty assumptions, you might even be one of them.

[professor]

I come home to more chuckles.
You guys are as much fun as my buddies at work.

IAO, if you hang around here for a while, you may get used to the atmosphere- it's different, but not toxic.

Guys, I make an assumption about A&E- that they had been "Programed" with the knowledge thy needed.
You guys apparently make an opposite assumption.
Thus God looks like the bad guy, and if I made your same assumption, I would agree with you.

[robvalue]

Even if they had the knowledge, they were designed to be incredibly easily swayed.

Did God not factor the snake into his plan? Why allow a creature he knew could turn them against him? Or did the snake outwit God?

(It's a snake, not satan, that is a retcon. Nowhere does it say it is satan.)

It seems like he wants them to fail so he can justify getting mad at them. Maybe this was like the fiftieth time he had run this scenario and every time he screws it up one way or the other. He finally snaps and takes it out on his hapless creations.

Ah, it's so much fun It's a fun story to play with.

[Chad32]

All it took was one short conversation to screw it up. Apparently there was no programming. All the snake had to do was point out what the apple actually did, and the fact that it wouldn't directly kill them, and Eve ate it. She didn't go discuss this new information with Adam or Yahweh. She just went ahead and did it. Adam did the same. It's a rediculous story meant to explain unexplainable things, and doesn't make sense if taken literally. But it kind of needs to be taken literally for the Jesus story to work.

[IAOALGIV]

Seems like this entire conversation is a derailment considering this is a thread about YHWH. And I honestly doubt you know anything about Gnosticism anyway. 


Esquilax thanks but I'd rather not join your club. I doubt you know anything about the Demiurge and it's wiles either. 

[Tonus]

Guys, I make an assumption about A&E- that they had been "Programed" with the knowledge thy needed.
You guys apparently make an opposite assumption.
Thus God looks like the bad guy, and if I made your same assumption, I would agree with you.

The story is poorly-written if you can take either view and make it work.  It's a problem throughout the Bible.  So much so, that even people who agree on the basics differ so much on the interpretation that you wind up with many denominations because those differences are irreconcilable.  Which isn't surprising if the person who takes the approach that god is wicked can make a compelling case using only the same book!

[robvalue]

Right! This is god's book. His spin on things. So I can only assume he is going to make himself look good, or at the worst just reproduce events as they actually happened. And he comes off as the most evil character ever.

Otherwise, he has deliberately made himself look like a jackass in the only communication he has given to us. What can we conclude from this? We're meant to realize that the stories are bogus and... then what? Make it up?