Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?

[Brakeman]

How did the bible author know the details of this story?

[robvalue]

Everyone knew everything back then and were never wrong or dishonest.

[h4ym4n]

If the snake was satan and satan wanted to fuck with yahweh/jesus/ghost, he should have told Eve to eat from the tree of life first.

[TubbyTubby]

How did the bible author know the details of this story?

It was an eyewitness account silly.

http://www.british-israel.ca/Genesis.htm

"The views are starting to change believe it or not. Many people are starting to realize that Moses DID NOT plagiarize these accounts of creation, and the flood. In stead there is evidence that Moses took theearlier documents of Adam, Noah, Abraham Enoch Isaac, and Jacob, these documents that were passed on from one generation to the next, and put them together into one book called the BOOK OF GENESIS!

After many excavations in the Middle East, archaeologists have found Ancient writings called "cuneiform" writings that date back all the way to 3500 B.C. Adam was still alive at that time, and so writing could have gone back even farther. So Adam could have composed his EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN!"

[professor]

To Brakeman,
Moses talked to God one to one, we have understood that he wrote the first 5 books of the bible.
If that is so, it was dictated to him.
We do not know.
Maybe what Tubby said.

[robvalue]

Right, so we're just taking Moses' word for what God said, and god's word that what God said was true. That's a double whammy of doubt.

God can't lie? Why, because he says so? Because he's God? Because he said gods can't lie? I think someone who lies could tell you they don't lie. Just because they do fireballs and stuff, they can still lie.

Shenanigans. If he can't lie, he's certainly not all powerful. Once again, I can do something he can't

Ah just shut up Rob you clever dick arsehole.

[Rhondazvous]

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No, I don't see it as a joke. Proselytizing a religion that dulls the mind, slenderizes the true Creator and teaches people to instead worship some low level regional manager who creates a world that has not the slightest resemblance to the world we live in is no joke. In fact, in the Bible God and saten ore often given credit for the same acts.  If you dare me to show you, I will, but don't get mad at me. I didn't write it.

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If A and E were already immortal, what was the purpose of having a tree of life that would give them what  they already had? But then, if they were already mortal, why threaten them with death if they were already going to die? In my opening post, I showed that we are not talking about spiritual death, since the spirit does not return to dust. So don't try to go there.

The authors clearly weren't very deep thinkers and did not notice the paradox they were creating with this story.

Please show me the verses.

Who said the tree was there for them to eat from and gain eternal life. The story is quite clear that death wasn't a part of the creation, if death was a part of creation then the punishment of death for disobedience would have no meaning, wouldn't you say so.

GC

We know that the Tree of Life was in the garden

Genesis 2:9b
In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

And we know it was a tree Adam was allowed to eat from because Yahweh specifically said Adam could eat of any tree except the tree of  Knowledge
Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

So again, why have a tree designed to give them immortality if they already had it. And if they didn't have it, why threaten them with death if they were already mortal?

I don't know what your purpose was in challenging me. I hope you did not make the mistake of thinking I would not be up to it. I don't speak without knowledge or put forth as facts that for which I have no documentation.

[Godscreated]

Please show me the verses.

Who said the tree was there for them to eat from and gain eternal life. The story is quite clear that death wasn't a part of the creation, if death was a part of creation then the punishment of death for disobedience would have no meaning, wouldn't you say so.

GC

We know that the Tree of Life was in the garden

Genesis 2:9b
In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

And we know it was a tree Adam was allowed to eat from because Yahweh specifically said Adam could eat of any tree except the tree of  Knowledge
Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

So again, why have a tree designed to give them immortality if they already had it. And if they didn't have it, why threaten them with death if they were already mortal?

I don't know what your purpose was in challenging me. I hope you did not make the mistake of thinking I would not be up to it. I don't speak without knowledge or put forth as facts that for which I have no documentation.

The verses I was interested in are the ones you say that God and satan play the same role.

As far as the tree of Life what makes you think the needed to eat from it, scripture nowhere indicates they had such a need. Why would God tell them they would die from disobedience if they were able to die, makes no sense what you purpose. Could be the Tree of Life had excellent tasting fruit, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did according to Eve.

GC

[h4ym4n]

The verses I was interested in are the ones you say that God and satan play the same role.

As far as the tree of Life what makes you think the needed to eat from it, scripture nowhere indicates they had such a need. Why would God tell them they would die from disobedience if they were able to die, makes no sense what you purpose. Could be the Tree of Life had excellent tasting fruit, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did according to Eve.

GC

What's the point of having the tree life if they were immortal?

Who told Eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil? Eve wasn't invented when god told adam?

Why didn't Eve know immediately after biting the apple that she was naked?

[Rhondazvous]

We know that the Tree of Life was in the garden

Genesis 2:9b
In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

And we know it was a tree Adam was allowed to eat from because Yahweh specifically said Adam could eat of any tree except the tree of  Knowledge
Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

So again, why have a tree designed to give them immortality if they already had it. And if they didn't have it, why threaten them with death if they were already mortal?

I don't know what your purpose was in challenging me. I hope you did not make the mistake of thinking I would not be up to it. I don't speak without knowledge or put forth as facts that for which I have no documentation.

The verses I was interested in are the ones you say that God and satan play the same role.

As far as the tree of Life what makes you think the needed to eat from it, scripture nowhere indicates they had such a need. Why would God tell them they would die from disobedience if they were able to die, makes no sense what you purpose. Could be the Tree of Life had excellent tasting fruit, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did according to Eve.

GC

God
1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
2 Samuel 24:1  KJV
 
Satan
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
1 Chronicles 21:1  KJV
 
Both God and Satan blind the minds of unbelievers
John 12:39-40
39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40 “He has blinded their eyes
    and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
    nor understand with their hearts,
    nor turn—and I would heal them.”[b]

Now the question is, who is "He?" Jesus:
Mark 4:10-13
And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him the parable.  And He said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables.
“That seeing they may see, and not perceived: and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted and their sins should be forgiven them.  And He said unto them, Know ye not this parable? And how then will you know all parables?”
No matter wheat the Church tells us is the reason Jesus spoke in parables, the man tells us right here it was because he did not want the people to understand and be converted "by any means."
at the same time the Bible tells us that satan blings the people's minds.
2 corinthians 4:4
 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 


As I said it makes no sense to put a Tree of Life in the garden if they already had life.  No argument there. I have already shown you the passage Where God tells them they are free to eat any fruit except that of the Tree of Knowledge. If you refuse to believe what God himself said and you call yourself a child of God? For shame.