Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?

[robvalue]

It's the Christian's job to explain why nothing in the bible means what it says

[Rhondazvous]

It's the Christian's job to explain why nothing in the bible means what it says

And a herculean job it is, too.

[Tonus]

Come on guys, they were in paradise and had been given one rule, ONLY one.

And the story leads us to believe that they were able to interact directly with god himself, so we can assume that they learned everything they knew straight from the lips of the almighty god, creator of all, the most magnificent intellect in all existence.

Yet all the serpent had to do was call god a liar, and Eve grabbed the fruit and ate from it.  And all she had to do was offer some to Adam, and that was enough to get him to eat.  So, did they not understand the concept of lies?  When faced with a contradictory message, why would Eve immediately trust a snake and disregard the words of god himself?  If she truly understood right from wrong and if she understood the concept of death, we might expect that she would've waited for a chance to consult with god, or perhaps dismiss the snake's claims outright.  But no, she wastes no time in breaking the ONLY rule.  Same with Adam.  The first opportunity he gets to make a tough decision and he apparently doesn't hesitate to turn his back on god.

How unimpressed must they have been with the grand and mighty creator of the universe!  And with good reason-- even the lowly snake saw fit to tarnish the character of god!  Or if we accept that the snake was really Satan, it's more of the same: one of the very denizens of heaven, who might well have watched the creation of the world and its inhabitants, who was witness to Yahweh's unfettered and undimmed glory... made sport of turning humanity against him.  And found it remarkably easy to do so!  So it seems that his low opinion of god was justified, when we consider how little effort was required to turn the whole thing into a wreck.

Why should I have any higher an opinion of god than those who knew him personally, yet were not compelled to remain on good terms with him, and even turned their backs on him?  He's something of a loser, it seems to me.

[Brakeman]

Come on guys, they were in paradise and had been given one rule, ONLY one.

And the story leads us to believe that they were able to interact directly with god himself, so we can assume that they learned everything they knew straight from the lips of the almighty god, creator of all, the most magnificent intellect in all existence.

If I placed my innocent child in a garden that held a danger, I would try to remove the danger and educate her against dangers that I couldn't remove. God did neither, he purposely placed the dangers in a readily accessible location to them and he did not use his godly perfect skills of education to teach the two how not to make the mistakes.

He obviously wanted them to fail so he could sadistically punish them because he was an ASS!

[Rhondazvous]

Come on guys, they were in paradise and had been given one rule, ONLY one.

And the story leads us to believe that they were able to interact directly with god himself, so we can assume that they learned everything they knew straight from the lips of the almighty god, creator of all, the most magnificent intellect in all existence.

Yet all the serpent had to do was call god a liar, and Eve grabbed the fruit and ate from it.  And all she had to do was offer some to Adam, and that was enough to get him to eat.  So, did they not understand the concept of lies?  When faced with a contradictory message, why would Eve immediately trust a snake and disregard the words of god himself?  If she truly understood right from wrong and if she understood the concept of death, we might expect that she would've waited for a chance to consult with god, or perhaps dismiss the snake's claims outright.  But no, she wastes no time in breaking the ONLY rule.  Same with Adam.  The first opportunity he gets to make a tough decision and he apparently doesn't hesitate to turn his back on god.

How unimpressed must they have been with the grand and mighty creator of the universe!  And with good reason-- even the lowly snake saw fit to tarnish the character of god!  Or if we accept that the snake was really Satan, it's more of the same: one of the very denizens of heaven, who might well have watched the creation of the world and its inhabitants, who was witness to Yahweh's unfettered and undimmed glory... made sport of turning humanity against him.  And found it remarkably easy to do so!  So it seems that his low opinion of god was justified, when we consider how little effort was required to turn the whole thing into a wreck.

Why should I have any higher an opinion of god than those who knew him personally, yet were not compelled to remain on good terms with him, and even turned their backs on him?  He's something of a loser, it seems to me.

I could kiss you.

In the words of Mark Twain, god should have forbidden the snake, then they would have eaten the snake.

If, as Christians tell us, our sin nature causes us to sin, then Adam's pre-apple-eating nature should have caused him to act as he was created to act. So the question is...

[professor]

All of us here, at one time or another, have fallen for the words of the snake, the seeking after the kind of knowledge the snake led them to- is the same kind exalted here.

Notice they were NOT enticed to eat from the tree of Life (which they could have done with no penalty),
just as people disregard eating from it today, in spite of God's offer to taste and see that the Lord is good.
Jesus IS that tree.
He even saw to it that He paid the price for us UPON a tree.
We aren't any different than A&E.
And they were NOT children put to some nasty test.
I always marvel at the despicable character God is painted into at AF.
 You do know the snake still speaks to the children of Adam.
Just say NO to snakes.

[robvalue]

Rhonda: (The questions is...) who left this inept God in charge? I guess he's on work experience.

[Tonus]

All of us here, at one time or another, have fallen for the words of the snake, the seeking after the kind of knowledge the snake led them to- is the same kind exalted here.

The difference being that god didn't wander around my home, giving me advice and teaching me about the universe.  You want me to judge god by a book, or by a feeling, or by some spiritual experience.  But the people who knew him personally didn't really think much of him.

And remember that the knowledge that the serpent offered Eve was that which god already knew.  God lamented that the two humans had "become like" him, having gained his understanding of right and wrong.  Since when is it a bad thing to become more like god, who made humans "in his image"?

Honest, prof, the story is just all over the place.  And it's understandable; when you were chiseling your campfire tales into a piece of rock, fixing plot holes was a major undertaking.

[IATIA]

Because god wanted to keep Adam and Eve as dumb slaves, which then begs the question, why put the tree in there in the first place.

[Godscreated]

Because god wanted to keep Adam and Eve as dumb slaves, which then begs the question, why put the tree in there in the first place.

Proof please, that God wanted to keep them dumb, He may have created them with quite a bit of knowledge.

GC

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The verses I was interested in are the ones you say that God and satan play the same role.

As far as the tree of Life what makes you think the needed to eat from it, scripture nowhere indicates they had such a need. Why would God tell them they would die from disobedience if they were able to die, makes no sense what you purpose. Could be the Tree of Life had excellent tasting fruit, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did according to Eve.

GC

What's the point of having the tree life if they were immortal?

Who told Eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil? Eve wasn't invented when god told adam?

Why didn't Eve know immediately after biting the apple that she was naked?

What was the point of telling them they would die for disobedience if they were mortal?

Adam told Eve God commanded they not eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil or they would die. By the way God doesn't invent He creates.

How am I to know whether she did or not, the Bible is not a minute by minute account of peoples lives, the fact remains both did realize they were naked.

Why would an omniscient God ask Adam and Eve where they were?

GC