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RE: Why do you believe in God?
April 30, 2015 at 10:22 pm
(April 30, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Lek Wrote: (April 30, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Lek Wrote: (April 30, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: It is the story of Abraham and Isaac. In the story, being willing to kill your child, just because God tells you to do so, is considered to be a good thing. One either accepts such stories or one does not. Every Christian, every Jew, and every Muslim, should be willing to do that, as it is part of their heritage. It is only by rejecting their own sacred scripture that one can consistently refuse to kill one's children when commanded by God to do so. All of the Christians, Jews, and Muslims who would refuse to kill their children, whenever God tells them to do so, are rejecting the clear message of text sacred to them, and without which, their religions are unsupported and unworthy of belief.
Okay. But realize that God stopped Abraham and I don't know anybody else who God commanded to kill their child.
First of all Abraham was willing. Just imagine the disfunctional family life the followed. 
Second, though God didn't exactly commanded it, Jephthah promised to sacrifice the first person to greet him after a battle if god gave him victory. That person was his young daughter. He did sacrifice her and the Bible appears to approve.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 6:55 am
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(April 27, 2015 at 3:40 pm)Lek Wrote: (April 27, 2015 at 3:28 pm)Alex K Wrote: Yes, absolutely, although it's hard to predict what one would do in extreme situations. The point is that you are preparing to die not only for unevidenced beliefs, but also under the condition that you are not really going to die, also unevidenced. That's the same rationale every odd suicide bomber uses. You're just a hair's breadth away from that.
You're saying that I have beliefs with no supporting evidence, but I've given you my evidence. I'm not like a suicide bomber in that I'm not trying to hurt anyone else. I'm not even trying to die. The instance which we are discussing would be if someone was trying to kill me.
You have only expressed incredulity and ignorance.
Your incredulity and ignorance are not evidence.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 7:16 am
(April 30, 2015 at 7:07 pm)professor Wrote: Parkers, you may want to consider the murdering Muslims who are currently rampaging in the name of their god,
demanding others bow before Allah or die.
They seem to care about everyone's faith.
I find it interesting that the OP's question on why one believes in God, is nitpicked so quickly and turned on Lek's honest answer.
Reminds me of one of those Nature shows where Darwin's religion is constantly promoted, as a victim is selected by the prey.
I think that people, myself included, that come on forums want to have a discussion. You have to admit, the discussion would grind to a halt if we all just said, "Oh, I see, Lek. Interesting answer. "LOL
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 10:59 am
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 11:53 am
(April 30, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: The words of Jesus himself, according to Matthew 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Yes. Jesus did fulfill the law. Nothing from the law passed away until he fulfilled it. The law has now been fulfilled.
Romans 7:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 11:55 am
(May 1, 2015 at 11:53 am)Lek Wrote: (April 30, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: The words of Jesus himself, according to Matthew 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Yes. Jesus did fulfill the law. Nothing from the law passed away until he fulfilled it. The law has now been fulfilled.
Romans 7:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
So a Christian appealing to old testament laws is making an error?
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 11:57 am
(May 1, 2015 at 11:53 am)Lek Wrote: Yes. Jesus did fulfill the law. Nothing from the law passed away until he fulfilled it. The law has now been fulfilled.
Romans 7:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
Excellent. So blood transfusions are fine and gays are fabulous? And masturbation, too? Great.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 12:16 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 11:57 am)Chas Wrote: (May 1, 2015 at 11:53 am)Lek Wrote: Yes. Jesus did fulfill the law. Nothing from the law passed away until he fulfilled it. The law has now been fulfilled.
Romans 7:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
Excellent. So blood transfusions are fine and gays are fabulous? And masturbation, too? Great.
I didn't say we don't have a moral code. I just said we're not under the old testament law. Many gays are fine people, by the way. I don't hate people because I disagree with their morality.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 12:19 pm
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2015 at 12:20 pm by robvalue.)
God had morality wrong first time. Or he changed his mind.
I don't trust him not to change his mind again. Maybe he already has.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 12:21 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 12:16 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 1, 2015 at 11:57 am)Chas Wrote: Excellent. So blood transfusions are fine and gays are fabulous? And masturbation, too? Great.
I didn't say we don't have a moral code. I just said we're not under the old testament law. Many gays are fine people, by the way. I don't hate people because I disagree with their morality.
Would you say that the Old Testament provides a good moral code, then?
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