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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm
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(May 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 1:07 am)JuliaL Wrote: As one who knows where my immortal indestructible soul will spend eternity (or at least has a couple of options;)
Where did it go last night between ~11PM and 7AM this morning?
How would I know about last night? I was referring (as you know) to what happens after you die. It would help to establish your authority regarding what happens to consciousness when it goes away.
As it stands, you don't know what happens to your 'soul' during sleep. I have no reason to believe you have any better idea of what happens when consciousness goes away after death. Anybody can, and many do, claim such knowledge but they are mistaken, deluded or lying. You also.
(May 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 1:07 am)JuliaL Wrote: What are you planning to do after counting all the grains of sand on all the beaches on Earth for the 300th time and have eternity left to busy yourself?
1 Corinthians 2:9
“No eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love him” So, it's a mystery even according to your revelatory documentation.
I imagine you are trusting in the 'mercy of God' again that it will be something eternally lovely. Your quotation doesn't say that. Given the bipolar psychotic Abrahamic God, you should be careful where you place your confidence. He's got a history. I know you belong to a group that believes you're in for the good stuff. But He pulled the rug out from under the Hebrews more than once. Why do you think He won't again?
(May 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 1:07 am)JuliaL Wrote: Whatever happened to Limbo (the place, not the dance) and is it currently filling with gastrulae and blastulae? If not, where are all the unbaptised embryos going?
The existence of Limbo was a theological speculation about the fate of unbaptized children. The short answer is: we trust to the mercy of God. If you want a longer answer from the Vatican website, Google the following: Thanks, but no thanks. Catholic clerics have centuries of piling unsupported crap on piles of unsupported crap on unsupported holy writ to con the masses into supporting them. Limbo is just another bad try at wallpapering over the holes in the story. Certainly any worthy God would condemn the sophistry. Trust to the mercy of God? I expect I have a better chance of surviving judgement than the Vatican lawyers. Let's not talk pedophile priests here, it's been done to death. Let's talk about cultural imperialism of the inquisition. Auto da fe anyone?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm
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(May 31, 2015 at 3:30 pm)pocaracas Wrote: RC... Roman Catholic... Also, remote control... Curious... I'm still waiting for your musings on what I wrote over a week ago...
My apologies...what post # specifically?
(May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: How would I know about last night? I was referring (as you know) to what happens after you die. It would help to establish your authority regarding what happens to consciousness when it goes away.
As it stands, you don't know what happens to your 'soul' during sleep. I have no reason to believe you have any better idea of what happens when consciousness goes away after death. Anybody can, and many do, claim such knowledge but they are mistaken, deluded or lying. You also.
God has spent a fair amount of time informing us of what happens after death.
Not so much about what happens while you are asleep.
It's the former that you should be most concerned with. So, yeah.
Quote: (May 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: 1 Corinthians 2:9
“No eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love him”
So, it's a mystery even according to your revelatory documentation.
The purpose of the phrasing is to say that what an infinite God has prepared for us is BEYOND what we can comprehend.
Quote:I imagine you are trusting in the 'mercy of God' again that it will be something eternally lovely. Your quotation doesn't say that. Given the bipolar psychotic Abrahamic God, you should be careful where you place your confidence. He's got a history. I know you belong to a group that believes you're in for the good stuff. But He pulled the rug out from under the Hebrews more than once. Why do you think He won't again?
Well, I suppose that if I were a cynic, I might consider that possible. So, I can either ignore God now, and guarantee my eternal damnation or believe what God has said about the afterlife and deal with any potential "rug tugs" later.
Either way, that has to be better than simply bee-lining straight into hell.
Quote: (May 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The existence of Limbo was a theological speculation about the fate of unbaptized children. The short answer is: we trust to the mercy of God. If you want a longer answer from the Vatican website, Google the following:
Thanks, but no thanks. Catholic clerics have centuries of piling unsupported crap on piles of unsupported crap on unsupported holy writ to con the masses into supporting them.
Show me some of that. Or are you merely asserting it to be true? If there is soooo much evidence, you ought to be able to demonstrate this to me easily enough.
Quote:Limbo is just another bad try at wallpapering over the holes in the story. Certainly any worthy God would condemn the sophistry. Trust to the mercy of God? I expect I have a better chance of surviving judgement than the Vatican lawyers. Let's not talk pedophile priests here, it's been done to death. Let's talk about cultural imperialism of the inquisition.
Let's talk about the facts of all three of those examples. Or would you really just rather cling to your ignorance so that you don't have to deal with the implications of the truth?
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 4:25 pm
(May 30, 2015 at 1:07 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 30, 2015 at 3:39 am)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I can concede to that is what the catholic faith accepts, but that doesn’t make it very logical. Do you realize that the catholic faith contradicts the bible in multiple ways (and the bible contradicts itself)?
This is incorrect. I will be happy to address each and every instance you wish to discuss.
What were Jesus's last words on the cross?
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 4:29 pm
(May 31, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: (May 30, 2015 at 1:07 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: This is incorrect. I will be happy to address each and every instance you wish to discuss.
What were Jesus's last words on the cross?
He never had last words or even beginning words he never existed.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 4:35 pm
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 4:38 pm
(May 31, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: What were Jesus's last words on the cross?
"Hey Ma, I can see our house from up here."
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: It would help to establish your authority regarding what happens to consciousness when it goes away. God has spent a fair amount of time informing us of what happens after death. Written as one who has bitten on the whole revelatory package.
God:
- Could be imaginary.
- Could be lying.
- Could be a social construct whose sole effect in this reality is to manipulate minds and scam resources for an indolent class of clerics.
Reading your unquestioning acceptance of Catholic tradition, I'd say 3. is pretty effective.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: So, it's a mystery even according to your revelatory documentation.
The purpose of the phrasing is to say that what an infinite God has prepared for us is BEYOND what we can comprehend. Exactly, BEYOND only specifies incomprehensibility not utility. I don't think you understand the concept of ineffibility or infinity. Tell me again why God can't lie?
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: But He pulled the rug out from under the Hebrews more than once.
Well, I suppose that if I were a cynic, I might consider that possible. So, I can either ignore God now, and guarantee my eternal damnation or believe what God has said about the afterlife and deal with any potential "rug tugs" later.
Either way, that has to be better than simply bee-lining straight into hell. Again, you don't understand. Your omni-god can do ANYTHING including lying, double dealing, bait and switch....ANYTHING. Bee-lining straight into hell only applies if hell actually exists.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Thanks, but no thanks. Catholic clerics have centuries of piling unsupported crap on piles of unsupported crap on unsupported holy writ to con the masses into supporting them.
Show me some of that. Or are you merely asserting it to be true? If there is soooo much evidence, you ought to be able to demonstrate this to me easily enough. Nope, not gonna bite. I'd provide some simple and obvious inacuracies of the bible and you'd go into Bill Clinton mode and start laying out jots and tittles of Greek semantics worked out by monks in the twelfth century. Brain washing WORKS. Ask the North Koreans.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Limbo is just another bad try at wallpapering over the holes in the story. Certainly any worthy God would condemn the sophistry. Trust to the mercy of God? I expect I have a better chance of surviving judgement than the Vatican lawyers. Let's not talk pedophile priests here, it's been done to death. Let's talk about cultural imperialism of the inquisition.
Let's talk about the facts of all three of those examples. Or would you really just rather cling to your ignorance so that you don't have to deal with the implications of the truth? First, define truth.
No, let me...
Truth is a property of propositions. A proposition is true in direct proportion to the degree that proposition accurately predicts future events.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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May 31, 2015 at 6:09 pm
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 6:33 pm
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RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 6:34 pm
Honest question: what is the etymology of "Catholic"? Does it have anything to do with worshiping Cathol?
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