Wrath of God

[Rhizomorph13]

Because he lived for infinity before we came into being? That would make me lonely and anti-social.

[chatpilot]

Good answer Rhizo it all makes sense to me now lol

[theVOID]

[face] Urban myth or simple murder by the bartender. Not evidence of anything really as there are many variables that could have caused the man's death that don't involve magic. [/palm]

PS Ace, it was probably Iocaine poison so there is no way to detect it...

Why would a bartender want to murder someone who mocks God ? I would assume most bartenders aren't even religious.

Why would God go to the trouble of murdering someone through a drink when he's got a waiting list of 100,000,000+ poor and impoverished people waiting for life's basic necessities?

[Violet]

This attitude about an angry/vengeful God is something I really don't understand about Christianity. Half the time many go around spreading messages of Gods love, which doesnt seem to extend to us non-believers? To me he sounds like a total bastard!

What is so hard to understand that God must punish sin? God does not want anyone (including nonbelievers) to perish. Would a "bastard" (your word, not mine) provide a way to avoid so easily this fate? That is why He sent Jesus to pay for our sins on the cross.

You are referring to the being who invented the fate in the first place. He created us with full knowledge of everything we would do in the life He designed for us... He created Hell, Heaven, Earth (and all other planets), our Galaxy (and all others), our Sol (and all other stars), Life itself (including our own lives), Sin (and our capacity to do so), and hundreds of thousands of other nearly imperceptibly different religions (only one of which having our exclusive belief in will bring us to Heaven, with Hell an automatic destination for those who merely did not believe in his existence).

Yeah... I call Him a bastard.

Didn't you get spankings as a child when you did wrong? Don't we put criminals in prison?

Don't you find it intriguing that Murderers, Thieves, Rapists, Vandals, Dishonorable Scum, and many other 'Evil-doers' make it into heaven for the simple act of believing in Jesus? Whereas plenty of wonderful individuals are punished for eternity simply for choosing to believe in the wrong gods, or failing to see any reason to believe at all?

As for spankings: they are bad for a child's ego, likely to cause much more harm (usu. in the form of fear and hate) than whatever good they may have accomplished.

As for putting 'criminals' in prison: just what does that usually accomplish? Most people must be driven to performing crimes, usually due to circumstances one might consider 'extenuating', such as poverty (and other such positions of desperation)... and are in fact not evil in the slightest. Does actions performed because of our will to survive (in a world that oft attempts to deny people this survival, and that easily succeeds) become us evil? It is the simple truth that not a fifth of the people in prison right now are what I'd think 'evil'... and among those who are 'evil', most are so because of the circumstances they lived in (so can you really blame them?).

You have those who lost control once or a few times (the accidentals), those who are there because they didn't know any better (such as those taught to steal by their peers/caregivers/etc), those who are in such poverty that it is questionable how they would survive without performing illegal actions (see: extenuating circumstances), people trying to thrive or make life better for themselves or others (such as those who attempt to bypass regulations, steal more when they have 'enough', and otherwise perform illegal actions out of the desire to make their life (or the lives of another or others) better), people who have done really nothing 'wrong' (but who the law thinks to be wrong... such as those in jail because of 'anti-sodomy' laws, anti-drug laws, POWs, people 'in the wrong place at the wrong time, but not doing the wrong thing in question', etc), lots of people.

Regarding those that we do consider evil... what even does putting even them in prison accomplish? If they are not counseled in attempt to bring them back into society as 'new men?': is there an accomplishment beyond their removal at all? Birdie in your court.

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Okay. Please explain the "sin" committed by the babies and toddlers who were drowned in the flood of Noah.


Who would have taken care of the babies and toddlers after the adults drowned? Certainly eight people couldn't have.

And why not? Those 8 people managed to take care of at least hundreds of millions of animals on a boat... without having food for many of them (if indeed any of them)... for FORTY DAYS. Yeah... I'd say they could easily have managed not even 10 million babies, esp. with God's assistence.

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Careful

What is the point of these one-worded warnings? Is there a point to begin with?

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Bullying someone is so great. It makes you feel justified in your own opinion, far more than rationality could ever do. I'm with the bullies on this one.

Giving threats is so much better... no? I'm on neither 'side'... I think they are both silly.

[Tiberius]

What is so hard to understand that God must punish sin? God does not want anyone (including nonbelievers) to perish. Would a "bastard" (your word, not mine) provide a way to avoid so easily this fate? That is why He sent Jesus to pay for our sins on the cross.

Didn't you get spankings as a child when you did wrong? Don't we put criminals in prison?

The difference of course being that my mother didn't spank my an infinite amount of times, and no criminal has been sentenced to eternity in prison. Our punishments are proportional to the crime committed, but apparently even an omnipotent God can't figure the fairness in that system.

Murder someone? Burn in hell for eternity.
Steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family? Burn in hell for eternity.

Oh, and that's another thing; some of these "sins" aren't even justifiable.

[Thor]

The difference of course being that my mother didn't spank my an infinite amount of times, and no criminal has been sentenced to eternity in prison. Our punishments are proportional to the crime committed, but apparently even an omnipotent God can't figure the fairness in that system.

Murder someone? Burn in hell for eternity.
Steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family? Burn in hell for eternity.

And this is just another reason why this god is impossible. Believers will tell you that "God" is "just". Well, how the hell is it "just" to damn a person to an eternity of torture for the "sin" of nonbelief? How does me not believing in this deity harm anyone?

[Edwardo Piet]

Well, it makes sense to a retarded "God" that almost certainly doesn't exist, or makes sense to the writers of a Holy book that's a load of bullshit, apparently.

EvF

[chatpilot]

The bible teaches that we as sinners are too stupid to know what is just and what is good. Only god can know and only god can judge. Sounds like the rules of a dictator to me.

[Edwardo Piet]

Thank fuck such a dictator (almost certainly) doesn't exist. Won't stop some fuckers from declaring that he does though.

EvF

[Thor]

Well, it makes sense to a retarded "God" that almost certainly doesn't exist, or makes sense to the writers of a Holy book that's a load of bullshit, apparently.

EvF

It's frustrating to argue with someone when they simply insist that "God" is "good" and "just", and therefore, anything he does is "good " and "just". I point out the the injustice of drowning babies and toddlers and I get retarded responses like, "God judged them and found them guilty", or "the babies are now happy and living in paradise". I ask about Hitler accepting Jesus just before he died and they admit that "God" would have accepted Hitler into heaven under those circumstances. I then ask about a humanitarian who spends his life helping the poor but he doesn't accept Jesus. They then tell me that he would go to hell. I'll ask how this is "just" and they'll say that they "didn't make the rules".

It's like arguing with a rock. A stupid rock.