Stump the Christian?

[Randy Carson]

Well, so much for that proof. You've already inserted all the wiggle room you would need to avoid admission of God's existence.


That runs into theological problems...and ironically, one that Catholics get from misguided Protestants all the time. The mass is a sacrifice, but it is a re-presentation of the one sacrifice of Jesus and not a re-sacrificing of Him at every mass.

Your proposal sounds like Jesus would die again and again and again...which defeats the purpose of the one sacrifice of Christ which put an end to the sacrifices offered in the Temple day after day, year after year.


Anything this big strikes me as being coercive.

Coercive?  How?  I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation.  You claim a god that defies everything we know about the way the world works.  You claim he's very interested in the world, but provide no proof of his having any affect on the world.  It is an extraordinary claim.  You claim the being is extraordinary, so much so that there's only one and that one is all powerful. 

Yet the proof offered is essentially nothing. 

You yourself don't consider Allah in the same light or Vishnu.  But they are extraordiary claims offering similar evidence.  Why not?  Because you too, except in this one case, demand proof.   I see no reason to make an exception for this one case.

Then don't.

But the proof you will receive, Jenny, when it comes will be exactly what you, personally, need.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL< bet you'd never even attempt that bullshit with your utility provider.

"I don't have the payment, but it exists, and whenever you get it, it will be exactly what you require".

[Randy Carson]

The bigger question is, why would you even bother or care? Lol. 

-asked the christian whose first interactions on the site demonstrated precisely why we -should- bother and care.  There are people who couldn't explain why they shouldn't stab me in the eye with a fork if, for whatever reason, they stopped believing in a god.  People stop believing in gods all the time...I'm trying to keep your fork out of my eye if and when that day comes Cath.

But go ahead, continue to espouse disturbing positions and then dismissively wonder...why people bother.

-You're- why people bother, dear heart.

The bigger question is, why would you even bother or care? Lol.

I don't mean to be rude. But honestly, what concern is it of yours if there are people out there who believe in God? My advice it to just not let it bother you. There will always be people out there who believe differently than yourself, and the best response is to just learn to be tolerant and respectful of different minded people.

I don't care what you personally believe, but the religious have a nasty habit of pushing their religion into politics, down everybody's throats and up little children's asses.

Hold all the abhorrent beliefs you please, but leave the rest of us alone. Live and let live, all that.

Gee, there are dozens of other subforums you can hang out in. If you want to be left alone, you don't HAVE to post in the Christianity forum, do you?

But...I notice that the Religions subforum has more than twice the number of threads and posts than the atheist subforum.

I guess there are only so many ways to talk about something you don't believe.

"I don't believe."
"Me, neither."
"Right. Well, let's go bash the Christians..."

[Randy Carson]

[...]
If you're really seeking the true God, he will eventually see that you're serious. But only if you are.

Either that, or - more likely - everyone (except you) will see that you're crazy...

1 Corinthians 1:25
The foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

[Randy Carson]

LOL< bet you'd never even attempt that bullshit with your utility provider.

"I don't have the payment, but it exists, and whenever you get it, it will be exactly what you require".

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's.

[Jenny A]

Coercive?  How?  I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation.  You claim a god that defies everything we know about the way the world works.  You claim he's very interested in the world, but provide no proof of his having any affect on the world.  It is an extraordinary claim.  You claim the being is extraordinary, so much so that there's only one and that one is all powerful. 

Yet the proof offered is essentially nothing. 

You yourself don't consider Allah in the same light or Vishnu.  But they are extraordiary claims offering similar evidence.  Why not?  Because you too, except in this one case, demand proof.   I see no reason to make an exception for this one case.

Then don't.

But the proof you will receive, Jenny, when it comes will be exactly what you, personally, need.

Should it ever come, you'll be the first to know.

But please tell me what proof you have received.   It's a real question.  I don't mean to belittle.  PM if you think it will get you in trouble here.  I will of course tell you why I don't think it's enough, unless of course it's just what I needed.  I will also tell you why I wouldn't think it enough, if that is the case.  You see, what I need is evidence.

[Ravenshire]

If you're really seeking the true God, he will eventually see that you're serious. But only if you are.

Well, yours couldn't see it when I was. I wonder why?

[abaris]

Gee, there are dozens of other subforums you can hang out in. If you want to be left alone, you don't HAVE to post in the Christianity forum, do you?

Hopefully you do notice, this is an atheist board regardless of the sub forum. If you barge in, all bible quotes blazing, you kind of expect a response, don't you?

[Ravenshire]

Gee, there are dozens of other subforums you can hang out in. If you want to be left alone, you don't HAVE to post in the Christianity forum, do you?

Hopefully you do notice, this is an atheist board regardless of the sub forum. If you barge in, all bible quotes blazing, you kind of expect a response, don't you?

I honestly think he was naive enough to shock and stump us with his oh-so-original claims and arguments and bring us into the "light." I think it's why he clings so desperately to the "presuppositional belief" and "atheists claim there ain't no gawd" straw men he's built and knocked down.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's easier to swallow than the realization of his own inadequacy.