Some questions about heaven and hell (for any believer)

[vorlon13]

---> What the hell happens to fetuses and non-baptised children?


Scripture is clear in regard to fetuses at least, the immortal soul is inspirated at the first breath following birth. So a fetus that dies in utero is the equivalent of finger nail clippings or hair since it is unensouled.

Curiously the anti-abortion crowd isn't concerned about beauty parlors treating clipped curls with a little a little more respect, the hair being the equivalent of fetuses, but for some reason they don't . . .

[Won2blv]

Thanks for your answer Tonus, some things JW's think are fascinating - Do you think believing you cease to exist if you don't earn the ticket to paradise is considered more frightening/effective to persuade believers than eternal torture?

I just want to add something from a still active JW... its easy to be cynical and reason that everything is done for personal gain. Including what and why religions teach. But JW's often get reminded that having a good standing with God is more important than any reward we may receive. So thats also why we don't just let people get baptized willy nilly.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[Minimalist]

Romans Road lays out the plan of salvation through a series of Bible verses from the book of Romans.

Oh, whoop-de-fucking-doo.

Let's explain bullshit with an even bigger pile of bullshit.  The catholic church's routine throughout history.

They jerk off with one hand and stick the other out for money!

[Won2blv]

[StealthySkeptic]

In my view when I was a Catholic, only the really bad people (like Hitler) went to hell, while all nice people went to heaven. Then unlike many of my fellow Catholics I actually READ the Bible, and had anxiety for years that the slightest impure thought meant eternal damnation.

In reality, this whole "free grace" thing is like a Kickstarter that never has a definitive release date. You keep putting in faith and good works in the hope that maybe some day after said release date you finally get the backer rewards. I'd rather opt out because, as an anonymous ancient philosopher (not Marcus Aurelius like so many people think) said,

"Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."

[robvalue]

I like that quote

I'd add that unjust gods can't be relied upon to stick to their word either. So doing what they say is no guarantee of getting what they promise.