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RE: Miracle
June 12, 2015 at 10:09 am
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2015 at 10:16 am by robvalue.)
Even if the Quran was an ahead-of-its-time science textbook with wonderful accuracy, and then some mental supernatural claims, the first does not verify the second. All it shows is that they had some surprising knowledge, that is all. It doesn't demonstrate where the knowledge came from, and it certainly lends no credibility to other stuff in the same book.
This should be obvious to see. Imagine they had instead written a load of totally different supernatural claims down. Does that make them true instead? Do the people writing the book get to define truth?
You could draw the analogy with a person. They just told you 100 scientifically accurate facts in a row. Does that mean the next scientific thing they say is also true? You may say it's fairly likely, but you don't know for sure. You'd have to verify it. But the moment they start talking about Angels, demons, resurrections, possessions etc then they lose all credibility. No amount of confidence in someone justifies believing stuff like this which has never even been demonstrated to be possible, let alone probable. And you can't verify it like you could all the science he said.
I've said this all before and I'm sure I'll say it again and again. It's like a merry-go-round, there's only so many bodged broken arguments, and eventually they all come round once more.
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RE: Miracle
June 12, 2015 at 2:45 pm
(June 12, 2015 at 1:59 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Oh sure, everything describes everything if you interpret it the right way. I still think green ham and eggs is a metaphor for the infinite regress.
I thought it was a way of getting children to eat tainted food.
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RE: Miracle
June 12, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Back in those bad old days where the masses believed all that weird "supernatural" stuff, there was nothing supernatural. It was all natural, just unexplainable.
Therefore it was "obvious" that "god" or some other "blessed" person caused these "miracles".
I find this mental state of being perfectly acceptable for that era. They had no logical reason to assume otherwise.
What I cannot tolerate is why the fuckheads still believe all this bullshit 2000 years later when science has progressed to a point where the god of the gaps argument is negligible.
No miracles or any other supernatural even has happened since. Shouldn't that 100% track record be enough to force people to reason?
There is no-one so gullible and foolish as a person clinging to obsolete myths and fairytales and thinking that the writings of the day can remotely apply to today's world.
Unless of course they don't believe the world has changed in that period.
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RE: Miracle
June 15, 2015 at 11:55 pm
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RE: Miracle
June 16, 2015 at 12:04 am
(June 15, 2015 at 11:55 pm)Harris Wrote: True, Miracle cannot be explained by natural means. No one can explicate logically how modern scientific information appeared in Quran, which revealed in 7th Century AD and for that reason, Quran is a Miracle.
And nobody can explain why the Quran, which is such a Miracle, is missing infinitely more science than you claim it contains.
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RE: Miracle
June 16, 2015 at 12:18 am
The greatest miracle of all, right there. Allahu akbar, pass the salt.
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RE: Miracle
June 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm
plot the medical miricles for the last five years in a hospital. Then predict the number for the next year. There is no magic
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RE: Miracle
June 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 4:56 pm by Longhorn.)
Well yea, but then again I mean....wait, what?
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RE: Miracle
June 16, 2015 at 6:12 pm
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RE: Miracle
June 16, 2015 at 6:16 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm)comet Wrote: plot the medical miricles for the last five years in a hospital. Then predict the number for the next year. There is no magic
The miracle is that the cure for cancer is already revealed in the Quran. . . which Harris will proudly reveal to us as soon as an actual cure for cancer is found.
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