Miracle

[Chas]

[Cyberman]

This entire thread is what happens when Harris, rikky and GC smoke some Chopra and have a drunken threesome without any regard to contraception.

[ignoramus]

Who's complaining. These types of threads make me feel a whole lot better about myself!
It's free therapy!   Keep 'em coming.

[robvalue]

I would honestly like to borrow a religious theist's eyes for an hour, to see the world how they see it. The differences they describe to me make me feel like they must be seeing something completely different. Now I don't think they actually are seeing anything different at all, and are just interpreting things in ways which reaffirm their beliefs. But I'd love to see what they think they are seeing... I can only guess what kind of world it looks like. Maybe they could borrow my eyes as well for the hour.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I want to say right now OP that I hope you feel bad for wasting everyone's time with this pointless thread.

[robvalue]

I would have thought he'd been on this forum long enough to know that this kind of appeal to partial accuracy isn't going to convince anyone.

[Harris]

[robvalue]

That all sounds like a lot of fun. I'll leave you to it.

[paulpablo]

Indeed, brain processes the stimulus generated by pain receptors in the skin. The point to note here is that without pain receptors brain is unable to process the pain of burning. However, people in the past were thinking that brain alone is the responsible organ to give us burning sensation. People were very unaware of the fact that without skin brain alone cannot process pain of burning. When skin sends the signals to brain only then brain processes those signals. Without skin, brain cannot feel the burning sensation.

But then surely in the past they also knew that without skin your skin can't burn, therefore even if they believed that the brain was uniquely responsible for pain they would also assume that you can't feel the pain generated from burning skin unless you have skin to burn.
As I previously stated the only information required to write the verse would be to know what the symptoms of 3rd and 4th degree burns are. 
The quran doesn't say the skin has pain receptors, it says god will burn the disbelievers skin until it is roasted then replace it with more skin so they can feel the pain, so YES it is possible for them to know that roasted skin feels no pain, they simply have to know the symptoms of 3rd or 4th degree burns,  and yes it is possible for them to know that roasting your skin initially will hurt.

[bennyboy]

lolwut? I can't provide any base or foundation to ANY facts mentioned in the Quran.

There is no coherent and foundational reason that can elucidate why scientific facts appeared in Quran when human knowledge to understand these facts was premature.

Look, you are saying that finding some science in the Quran is a miracle. If it IS a miracle, it's not science, because that's not what science means.

Current scientific facts are not miracles but there presence in 7th century Quran is indeed a miracle.

Nuclear bombs, computers, telephones, cars. These are the products of science. If science is God-given, then why didn't Muhammad have a personal jet? Why wasn't he broadcasting his sermons to everyone's hand phones? Why didn't he just shoot his enemies, instead of beheading them with swords? What, God hadn't figured out that science yet? Here's a hint-- if the best knowledge is always shrouded in mystery and metaphor, it's because it's not really that good after all. We have REAL science now-- science that's in the open, that has a clear meaning, that is based on observations rather than mystery and metaphor.

Presence of scientific facts in Quran is an evidence that this scripture cannot be the work of human hands and that is it. At several occasions, I have pushed this idea but it seems that you have some issues in understanding this simple point.

I think you still haven't answered my clearest point: IF the writers of the Quran had a miraculous access to scientific truth, then they did a remarkably poor job of compiling that science into a usable system.  Where are the atomic charts, and the QM diagrams?  Where is even a primitive understanding of any of the things the average 10 year-old with a library card can easily pick up with a couple free hours on a Saturday?

IF the Quran is miraculous, then the real miracle is that God chose to reveal so little science, and of such a poor quality, that Christian nations rose to power and came to dominate the world.  Even now, the only fighting chance the muslims have is to use technology-- bombs, guns, cell phones, etc. developed mainly by Europeans and Americans, most Christian, many Jews, and very few of them muslims.

Some miracle.