Dark influence on the hearts and implanting locks regarding the Quran.

[Mystic]

Observation sample 3, Apostates.

The Quran clearly said:

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Shakir 4:88] What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.
[Pickthal 4:88] What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O MUhammad) canst not find a road.
[Yusufali 4:88] Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
[Shakir 4:89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[Pickthal 4:89] They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
[Yusufali 4:89] They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
[Shakir 4:90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
[Pickthal 4:90] Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.
[Yusufali 4:90] Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
[Shakir 4:91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.
[Pickthal 4:91] Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
[Yusufali 4:91] Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.

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These verses are clear, if certain hypocrites would turn on their back, that they would only be allowed to be killed if they go to the extent of fighting Muslims along with disbelievers who were at war with the Muslim. However, if they offer peace, there was no way against them.

Yet we see the rule of apostasy was that anyone turning on their back was to be killed. 

There is also the verse: "There is no compulsion in religion".

[Mystic]

Observation 4, a verse about miracles.


One way verse 17:59 can be interpreted is that nothing prevented God from sending with the signs/miracles except that past generations rejected them. This was one reason I left Islam because this seemed to be the only possible way to read it.   All the tafsirs didn't suggest an alternative recitation but I've come to realize this is one of the Satanic traps to make us disbelieve in Quran. The more rational recitation would be that it's talking about miracles on demand, and saying we sent such signs on demand of disbelievers, and nothing is preventing us from sending more signs except the first people who made such demands rejected them.  As such God is not putting in demands of disbelievers to do everything they demand, because, they have no honesty having rejected the first miracles. 

This is saying - if the first people to demand such miracles among people of Mohammad didn't reject them, we would of responded to their demands like we did to the first ones, ,but it's obvious now they have no sincere intention in asking for such miracles, and are just making demands higher and higher, and will make demands higher and higher no matter what.

I've realized that there is no tafsir with this explanation, and this observation of something on the hearts preventing clear recitations, is become more and more apparent.

[Iroscato]

OR...

It's just all bullshit.

[JuliaL]

There is also the verse: "There is no compulsion in religion".

Sure, not in 'religion' by itself.
It's the religion's members you have to watch closely.
You know, the ones with the thumbscrews.
And the members that stand by while those with the thumbscrews get their jollies.
Without adherents, religion doesn't do much.  It just sort of sits there and decays.

[SillyPseudo]

"1. Age minimum for marriage.
2. The penalty for adultery.
3. The ruling regarding apostates.
4. The friendship of non-muslims.
5. A verse regarding miracles.
6. Regarding authority of the divinely appointed successors and the position of the family of Mohammad.
7. Hadithal thaqalain/ghadeer
8. Position of Harun to Musa hadith.
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I am not exactly sure on how to quote, this is my first post. Now the Islam faith is the Muslim faith correct? So is it fair to say, for the sake of ignorance, that non-believing begins with ignorance of Islam, not the ignorance of others, just to appease and be polite?

Assuming everyone understands I am in no way trying to encourage anyone to deviate from their belief in a religion or beliefs in a religion, I will continue.

I have to look the following things up previously quoted about Islam to clarify definitions in order to have anything to add.

Starting with Islam, it is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion. The specifics of the faith allude me. I fail to find enough curiosity or time to spend looking it up, so with great hesitation and frustration of the task, do I instead tell you what comes to mind first when someone asks about the marital age, miracles, apostates, non-muslim friends, I will start with telling you Muhammad was an inexcusable injustice illustrated in the form of a work of theological significance that others mimic and follow by paying a price, doing time on their knees, without friends praying for a miracle hoping the penalty and appointed predecessor will pass them bye. Am I wrong?

Of course I apologize if I am being snide in your opinion or in some way callous or even close minded or you find it comical.
I am in no way being dimwitted. I know exactly what Muhammad did, what he wed, why these people have no non Muslim friends, why they prey for miracles hoping an appointed predecessor will pass them by while they are on their knees, they are being gracious they they are not a twat wiping, preying to a statue, cannibal Hindu.

If you cannot like cheap comedy that is in no way meant for anything other than an ignorant laugh as incentive to go study some Religion if that is what you like, I can't help I don't understand why you don't laugh. Dang, an apology was good enough for everyone else. Sorry.

[Mystic]

Observation 5, the blindness to the Imams/family of Mohammad in Quran.


If Mohammad (saw) said "Indeed God made Ibrahim, Isaac, Yaqoub, and Yusuf into Imams who turning away from would lead to hell and submitting to would lead to heaven, O you who believe obey the Imams from you"

No sincere person would think Imams here means any type of leader but rather in context, it refers to Imams who are appointed by God to lead humanity like Ibrahim, Isaac, and Jacob.

Verse 3:33 say God chose the family of Ibrahim in the same we he chose Nuh which shows it's a family of only chosen exalted ones, and we read in verse 27:59 that peace is upon those who God has chosen.  We also read in 2:124 Ibrahim was honored by a certain type of leadership and asked that regarding his offspring, in which it was promised only those free from injustice would be bestowed such a leadership. It can be seen that such leadership is greater in God's eyes then worldly kingdom of the Pharaoh, and so when Quran states:

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"Have you seen a party of those given a portion of the book, they believe in the Jibt (sorcery) and Taghut (inordinate false authority) and say these are more guided then those who believe. Or do they have a share in the authority then they would not give the people at date stone. Or do they envy the people for what God has given them out his grace, so then indeed we gave the family of Ibrahim the book, the wisdom, and gave them a great authority. So of them is who believed in it and of them of is who turned away from it, and sufficient is hell as a burning. Indeed those who disbelieve in God's Ayat (Signs/revelations/guidance). soon God will enter them the fire, so as often their skins are thoroughly burned, we will change them for other skins, that they taste the chastisement, surely God is Mighty, Wise.  As for those who believe and do good deeds, we will make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever, they shall have therein pure mates, and we shall make them enter a dense shade. Verily Allah commands you to make over the trusts to to their owners and that when they judge between people you judge with justice, surely Allah admonishes you with what is excellent surely Allah is seeing, Hearing. O You who believe, obey God and obey the Messenger and those who possess the Command/Authority from you, therefore if you differ with regards to a thing, refer it to God and the Messenger if you believe in God and the last day, that is better and most suitable at the end."

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It makes sense that authority is in reference to the divine leadership they had which was primarily spiritual although covered political and social authority, that being the true great authority the family of Ibrahim was given also emphasized by emphasis on necessity of not turning away from it and believing in it, and the link to that to God's Ayat (signs/guidance/what leads to God) and belief in that and disbelief in that, all emphasizes it's about the divine authority. Then in this context we are told to obey God and obey the Messenger and those who possess the authority from us, showing it's one and the same type of divine authority, and this obedience is to the extent we refer all disputes back to God and his MEssenger showing it's part of obedience to Ulil-Amr (Those who possess the authority) to refer back to Quran and Sunnah, showing they always command to Quran and Sunnah. 

The question is it unclear when pondered about? I would say it isn't. Obviously the same divine authority of the family of Ibrahim is what is meant by "the authority" that Ulil-Amr hold and possess, and it's not just "those who posses authority" but "the authority" implying it's comprehensive complete authority given the context of authority of the family of Ibrahim.

I would say the fact it didn't say "verily we given the Prophets" or "we given Ibrahim" but rather states "family of Ibrahim" shows that the Messenger and Ulil-Amr are a divinely appointed family like the family of Ibrahim, and so it manifests they are the family of Mohammad. 

They are contrasted to that, saying, God chose from the offspring of Ibrahim, and made them into Imams, so will people envy the family of Mohammad and the Imams from his offspring, while accepting the Imams from the offspring of Ibrahim? 

Why does majority of Muslims not see this instance of the divinely appointed possessors of the authority from us? Why do they interpret to mean secular authority despite the context being that of divine authority? That of the authority of Ibrahim, Isaac, Yaqoub, and Yusuf?

This is indeed a veil. Something is going on here. And what is more is the verses talk about the Jibt which is a sorcery reminding that these envied people have unseen enemies who make people believe in the Taghut (inordinate authority) through dark influence on the hearts. And it's these very indortinate authority that we been commanded to disbelieve in that most Muslims think God is commanding us to obey in 4:59. 

This reminder right before it, and in contrast of the divine authority vs the Taghut/Jibt, is clear. It's just there is blindness, something, that makes people not reflect properly and see the blessed recitation.

And the verses that follow remind that every Messenger that was sent was sent to be obeyed by God's permission, reminding of the divine authority. The fact that family of Ibrahim was singled out was to emphasize the wisdom of divinely chosen families and not to envy Rasool and Ulil-Amr who are also such a divinely chosen family, while the reminder of obedience to all Messengers was to emphasize on the divine authority even further. There is more instances of blindness to them in Quran. And this is just scratching the surface.

[Jenny A]

1. The Koran does not really allow or require things MK thinks are evil.
2. Other Muslims think it does require things MK thinks are evil.
3. MK thinks that this is because there is a supernatural dark influence involved.

I think you have to wear blinders to think the bad parts of the Koran aren't there. But while I'm grateful that some moderates can put on the blinders, I'd prefer no one took their morals from that book at all.

[Mystic]

Observation 5, blindness to the family of Mohammad continued.

One of the clearest verses about the family of Mohammad in Quran is 42:23.
 
Whatever "Al-Qurba" means, it has been linked to being grateful for the message.
 
That is the good news God gives to his servants of those who believe and do good, say: no wage do I ask for it except the love in Al-Qurba and whoever do does good, we will increase him therein, verily God is forgiving thankful/grateful.
 
The three possible meanings of Al-Qurba is kinship, kin, or closeness. As closeness needs a phrase to emphasize closeness to what, if God for example, it would mention "ilallah", this is not the meaning and it goes against convention of the language to assume that meaning. As kinship in general cannot be something in which the entire message would be shown gratefulness to by loving, it's not the meaning either. General meaning of kin cannot be the meaning either as that is not linked to being grateful to the message. Whatever al-Qurba means here, it has to be integral part of the message, a central role, the inward point of it, the goal of it, that showing loving towards it, would be showing gratefulness to the message. 
 
 
34:47 Say: whatever I have asked of you of a wage, it is for yourselves, verily my wage is with God and he is a witness upon all things.
 
This verse shows this in fact was not the wage of Mohammad (saw), for his wage was with Allah (awj), as Allah is a witness upon all things, God witnessing his acts was where his reward truly lied, instead of a reward from the people. The truth was he was rather asking a wage for our sake. The same Surah emphasized "O family of Dawood, do acts of thankfulness/gratefulness, and verily few of my servants are grateful/thankful".
 
The wage asked by Mohammad (saw) was asked on behalf of God, as God told him to ask this wage, and was a way to be grateful to him for the message.  If we truly appreciate the message Mohammad (saw) came with, we will appreciate Al-Qurba and love Al-Qurba, as Al-Qurba are the central part of the message.
 
Now on reflection, as they have been linked to showing gratefulness to the message, they have be chosen for the religion. This cannot be but a chosen exalted family type meaning. The true family of Mohammad (saw) which like the family of Nuh (as) cannot include those who act other then righteously. And like the family of Ibrahim (as), is of the chosen ones only.
 
25:57 Say: No wage have I asked of you for it, except for who wants to take towards his Lord a path.
 
This shows Al-Qurba are a path to the whole nation, and are hence always ahead of the believers, are the path for everyone to take no matter how high they are. This shows they are the best of the nation.
 
Now two things to notice, in Surah 25, there was emphasis on Harun (as) being a Vizier of Musa (as). Accepting Harun (as) with Musa (as) was part of the message, and Harun (as) was chosen because he was "better in tongue/speech" and this probably referred to conveying the higher truths in which Musa (as) felt there was a knot on his tongue. Ali (as) was likewise said to the door the house of the wisdom, or the gate to the city of the knowledge, and hence his loving and following him and recognizing him, was part of the path towards God, like following Harun (as) was part of the path towards God while Musa (as) was there. In fact, those who followed Harun (as) automatically followed Musa (as) while not all those who claimed to follow Musa (as) followed Harun (as). 
 
The second thing to notice, in Surah 34, there was emphasis on the rule of Dawood (as) and Sulaiman (as). In the same way, if the world accepts the Khalifate of Ahlulbayt (as) and comes to the last of the Imam (as), they will be ruled by the rule of justice of Dawood (as), the rule of Mohammad (saw), the rule of God. 
 
This is a favor of God, and the place of it, emphasizes on the rule of his chosen ones.
 
6:90 These are they who God has guided therefore follow their guidance. Say: I do not ask you a wage for it that it be but a reminder/remembrance to the worlds.
 
This verse is put in place right after emphasizing on the guidance of the Prophets, then telling Mohammad (saw) to follow their guidance, then it says the wage is but a remembrance/reminder to worlds/peoples/nations. This shows in the same way Mohammad (saw) follows the light of the Prophets (as) and takes guidance by their guidance and thereby remembers the path of Praiseworthy Lord, and ascends to God, the same is true of the wage of the message, it proves a remembrance to the unseen path towards God, and reminds of the light. The context is emphasizing on the guidance of his chosen ones. It again gives credence to the al-Qurba being of the chosen exalted ones who God wants humanity and Jinn to follow their guidance, and it's a reminder and remembrance to the Alameen. 
 
12:104 And you do not ask them a wage for it that is but a remembrance/reminder to the worlds/nations/peoples.
 
This verse is stated in context of the exalted chosen family of Ibrahim, particularly narrating the roles of Yaqoub and Yusuf, and the story of Yusuf. There is also a parable in the form of the shirt of Yusuf healing Yaqoubs eyes, that love of God's chosen would similarly honor us with their robes from the unseen honor and beauty of God, and heal our blindness and make us see the path. Their Imammate and Wilayah is about giving sight to the path of God and the light of God. In the same way, the wage of loving Al-Qurba is emphasized to be a remembrance/reminder, which is remembrance of the light and unseen path of God.
 
 
23:72-73Or do you ask them a wage? Then surely the wage of your Lord is better, and he is the best of those who provide sustenance. And surely you call them to a straight path.
 
The Surah was emphasizing on the path of believers and then reminded of how God sent Messengers and the punishment of rejecting them. It also emphasizing "Do they not recognize their Messenger so they are in denial of him". 
 
It can be seen in the same way Nuh (as) was the way towards God, that Al-Qurba are the way towards God. The placement after emphasis to adhere to God's chosen ones again gives way to the chosen exalted kin meaning.
 
(38:86-88)Say: I do not ask you for it any wage - and I am not of those who affect -
That it be but a reminder/remembrance to the worlds.
And ye shall certainly the truth of it after a time.
 
The Surah 38 emphasizes on God's chosen ones and reminds of chosen offspring like Sulaiman (as) to Dawood (as), and Isaac (as) and Yaqoub (as) to Ibrahim (as). It also then reminds us of God telling Angels to prostrate to Adam (as) and all did it except Iblis. It also asks Iblis if he is arrogant or is he one of the exalted ones/high ones. 
 
We then see emphasis that the wage is a remembrance to the worlds at the end of the Surah, emphasizing we will come to know of it's news and truth after a while, showing there is a unseen reality to this love, and it's a unseen path to Allah, that we will come to know of. This again, by flow, confirms it's about the chosen family of Mohammad (saw), a family of chosen exalted ones.
 
Or do you ask them a wage so that they are over overburdened by a debt? (52:40, 68:46)
 
This shows the wage has nothing to do with material wealth being given to the family of Mohammad (saw). Interesting is the Surah 52 opens by swearing by the mountain, while Harun's (as) name means exalted mountain, and Ali (as) is the Harun (as) of Mohammad (saw) by hadiths, and shares his position with Mohammad (saw) as did Harun (as) did with Musa (as) except that he is not a Prophet. Surah 68:46 begins with Noon which can be reference to light and emphasizes that his reward is never cut off, showing the wage he asks is not for himself, but on behalf of God so we be grateful to God for the message.  Consequently the wage of the message is linked to the following the light of Mohammad (saw) and perfecting the Aqel with the spiritual pen of reason and light. These places again show that God wants us to remember the wage of the message, and it has central importance with the the message and Mohammad (saw).
 
When we see this reminder in the Quran, we see that it has a central importance. The Al-Qurba cannot be just normal people but must exalted chosen people who God has made the means toward himself and the way to remember his unseen path and light.



However, we see in real life, people forget these verses all go together, and scholars of the majority of Muslims have said it means kinship between Quraysh and Mohammad (saw).

This while some of them did consider it possibility and some did consider it to be the case (like Imam Shafi), most didn't appreciate the meaning.

What prevents people from remembering 42:23 whenever coming across other wage verses? Something is a mist!

[JesusHChrist]

Oh lordy, please save us for this Darkness on Our Hearts!

My Heart is Dark with Blackness! I fear a Demon has come to abide in my Heart's Abode!

Gibber jabber, Gibber jabber.

Gibber.

Jabber.

[Iroscato]

MysticKnight, I say this in the nicest way I can -
YOU NEED TO GET LAID. NOW. NOT SOON. BUT NOW.
We'll see how much dark influence you have left when you're pulling the bedsheets out of your arse after receiving a typhoon-level BJ that followed a four and a half hour reverse cowgirl doggy style oh-yes-sir-call-me-a-bad-pupil-again anal vaginal earful fuckfest that starts in the kitchen, continues on the stairs and reaches it's conclusion on the bedroom floor.
You'll never implement those locks again, my boy!!