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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 4:49 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 11:39 am)Tonus Wrote: (June 21, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: The point is we get to live a life and decide what to do with it. God does know, we do not, If we do not get to live our life how can we be judged for it? If God put us in heaven or hell without us living life He makes the decision.
Would that be a bad thing? If god had to choose your future with nothing to go on but his own desire, do you think he would assign you to hell? If yes, he sounds terrifying. If not, then we risk hell by being given the chance to screw up the perfect future. If god is the greatest being in all of the universe, a kind and loving father of unequaled intellect and generosity, then I think I'd much rather he decide my fate before I get a chance to stumble into eternal torment.
No one has to stumble into eternal torment, God made an easy, simple way to walk away from that fate through His Son. You want t work with an assumption that God wouldn't have anything to work with but His desire, God answers this question in the NT by saying He desires no one to enter eternal punishment. He doesn't want people to spend an eternity with Him if they chose not to, that would be a punishment in itself and would allow for corruption in heaven, so this is all taken care of through our choice. Besides life is far more than deciding where you will spend eternity. God's great generosity cost His Son much, all for us.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 4:52 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm)IATIA Wrote: (June 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Then live with no purpose, it's your life.
GC There is no purpose in life. One can pretend there is to make a delusional meaning out of it but, in the end, nothing matters. We are no more than talking monkeys headed toward oblivion.
In another 100,000 years, assuming humans are still here (or even if they are not), nothing of any of this will matter. It will not even be remembered. We, as a species, will have effect on the ecology, but no more so than dinosaurs or glaciers, albeit different.
And if I am right (which I am), do you really want to take the chance of throwing away this "gift" on delusions of an afterlife? Or do you think that you would be better served enjoying the one and only life that you will ever have?
(we are just probably 'brains-in-a-vat' anyway!)
I do enjoy life, God did not put me here to be a bored individual. You're making a claim that you know something and yet haven't brought evidence that it's true, please do so.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 4:54 pm
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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(June 22, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're making a claim that you know something and yet haven't brought evidence that it's true, please do so.
If there is no god, then what I say must be true. A god is illogical and impossible, then there is no god, therefore I am right.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 5:21 pm
Quote:Actually I was speaking to those who posted before me, you all have it made compared to the ones you've mentioned, I can understand them questioning. What I can't understand are those who question why stop short of using their lives to help others, to me this is a great purpose.
How can you possibly know who here helps or does not help others?
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 7:35 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're making a claim that you know something and yet haven't brought evidence that it's true, please do so.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 22, 2015 at 10:03 pm
(June 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm)IATIA Wrote: You are still believing in some petty human god. You obviously have no concept whatever of the vastness of time, space and infinity. To think that a god which could create all that would lower itself to your level of belief is just ridiculous.
Then live with no purpose, it's your life.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 8:10 am
(June 22, 2015 at 4:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: No one has to stumble into eternal torment, God made an easy, simple way to walk away from that fate through His Son. You want t work with an assumption that God wouldn't have anything to work with but His desire, God answers this question in the NT by saying He desires no one to enter eternal punishment.
That's my point: if god wants everyone to be saved, then we're better off having him decide our fates. Otherwise we are at risk, regardless of how "easy" it is to be saved using his son's sacrifice. After all, how easy it is depends on who you ask, and many denominations have different rules regarding how we can be saved. Why risk it? Think about it: when it comes to making the best decision on anything, who would you trust: yourself, or god?
Or put another way: if god made that decision, everyone would be saved. But because he does not, billions of people will not be saved. Which is the better outcome?
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 8:25 am
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(June 20, 2015 at 9:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: Seems to me most of you couldn't careless about the great gift of life you've been given. To the OP, God doesn't decide who goes to heaven or hell, each individual does that and God grants them their choice.
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You are careless with your language, but it appears you couldn't care less.
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