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Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
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(July 25, 2015 at 11:45 am)Randy Carson Wrote:
(July 25, 2015 at 11:39 am)Cato Wrote: You must be joking.

Nope.

Your posts are classic ad hominem attacks. You think that by going after the man, you can undermine his arguments - but that's not how it works, is it?

Bobby Fischer was one of the greatest chess players of all time. He was also an anti-Semitic nut-job later in life.

I can study his games while ignoring his rants against the Jews.

You can study Sungenis' books on the Eucharist, sola scriptura and sola fide while ignoring his views on the holocaust.
I agree with this - I've been criticized for debunking the source and not the argument by other forum members so I think it's only fair everyone follows that rule - Otherwise it's guilty by association. Richard Wagner was a great composer and also highly anti-semitic, one doesn't invalidate the other. John Lennon was allegedly a wife-beater, but still a great musician. Bill Maher is a great comedian but has a problem with vaccines. I guarantee that I can find something problematic about whoever you're quoting to support your point.
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Yeah, technically it is an ad hominem. However, it does give insight in how delusion the individual is on other topics.
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(July 25, 2015 at 5:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(July 25, 2015 at 5:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If a person believes in one ethnocentric fairy tale why shouldn't he believe in all of them?

Because some have evidence...

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and some

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are just total fucking bullshit.
Have you ever seen pictures of some on the American Civil War concentration camp survivors?  They were skin and bones.  You can find a lot of pictures of Nazi concentration survivors who look like they ate Thanksgiving Day dinners every day.   Of course some were skinny but they probably didn't collaborate with the Nazis like the fat ones did.  And the Allies were intent on starving everyone in the war zone so that they wouldn't be able to put up a fight.
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Yeah, the US Civil War POW camp survivors were skin and bones. The Confederacy had trouble even feeding it's own troops. That's why they desperately tried to keep up prisoner exchanges with the Union until Grant stopped them.

I don't see how that relates to a handful of collaborators that got decent food or the 6 million Jews gassed during WWII by the Nazis.
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I consider holocaust denial to be one of the most ridiculous acts of stupidity since the second world war - It is no worse than believing there's a magical reptilian governing the world. But one can be a Holocaust denier and still make one or two points that are correct about other topic. The fact someone gets the easier wrong doesn't follow that the harder will be as well. I remember doing this exam where I was able to answer all hard questions but then I couldn't answer the first, most basic and simple one.
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Wyrd...you're giving Randy a run for the Dumbest Poster in the thread title.  Give it up.
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(July 25, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Wyrd...you're giving Randy a run for the Dumbest Poster in the thread title.  Give it up.

Poor Godwin got his ass blitzkrieged.
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(July 25, 2015 at 5:35 pm)Rahul Wrote:
(July 25, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: They had a phobia about being counted.

Nation sponsored genocide tends to do that.

According to the biblical fairy tale they used to like being counted but then they got a phobia about it.

Moses had the census game down pat.  He made the people pay a ransom for their souls so that they wouldn't get a plague when he did the census.  It was a good racket for him and his gang.  

God told David to do a census, which he did.  David then felt guilty for having done it at God's orders.  God then killed 70,000 in a plague.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=MSG

Current census forms don't have any questions about how many household members have been resurrected.  If the Romans had conducted a census after Jesus' resurrection and asked him if he had been resurrected ithe question might be standard on all census forms today.
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(July 25, 2015 at 8:33 pm)Rahul Wrote: Yeah, the US Civil War POW camp survivors were skin and bones.  The Confederacy had trouble even feeding it's own troops.  That's why they desperately tried to keep up prisoner exchanges with the Union until Grant stopped them.

I don't see how that relates to a handful of collaborators that got decent food or the 6 million Jews gassed during WWII by the Nazis.

Six million Jews were not gassed during WWII by the Nazis or anyone else.  During the war a con man came to the US and tried to sell the Washington dummies on the idea that eight million Jews had been killed.  The dummies told him that was too much BS even for them to swallow so they negotiated the number down to the magic 6 million.  In return they approved the plan for the Jews to steal Palestine per Herzl's master plan.  BTW, they flooded the country with their BS "holocaust museums" to continually reinforce their lie.  After all, billions of people have believed the lie about a magic Jewish zombie who died for their sins.  Earthworms are more intelligent than the average human is.
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(July 25, 2015 at 9:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: According to the biblical fairy tale they used to like being counted but then they got a phobia about it.

I suppose it's a good thing the Nazis didn't just rely on the census to find the Jews. They also used tax returns, synagogue membership lists, mandatory police registration forms, questioning of relatives/neighbors/officials, etc.

One thing you can never accuse the Germans of being is inefficient. They maintained impeccable records of every Jew they killed with their name, date of birth, country of origin, date of capture, and date of execution.
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