Now what?

[Exian]

Ah! Good point, Rob. I fell victim to the bait and switch. What organization or community would have to band together to fight for that cause? I guess what I mean is, like with the marriage equality fight, you had the LGBT community and its supporters who were in obvious opposition to the way things were; they were directly effected negatively. What would be the banner for that, I wonder?

An atheist president...man I'd love to fight for that. The supporting community would be obvious for that one. I would probably come out to my family for that cause; if he/she were a good candidate, that is. All the bird-brained sound bites and Facebook posts would be worth the price of admission alone.

[robvalue]

Yeah, I don't know! You'd hope even some theists who want proper secularism would support it, like they have done with gay marriage. Hopefully just loads of people who want things to be fair. I don't know if there is an active movement about this specifically. If not, one needs to be started! People getting rich off of indoctrination makes me sick.

I think it's coming. I'd give it some 50 years maybe, and an open atheist could be at least in the running. Who knows, maybe sooner? The a-train is gathering momentum and reasonable thought is slowly creeping in. I feel optimistic The die-hard gas bags are looking more and more ridiculous I think to the younger generations.

If you so much as mention God in our politics, you'd be laughed all the way to the dole queue. Hopefully USA won't be too far behind.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Well, you can't outlaw stupidity and hatred. There are some that believe we'll be rid of racism eventually, but I know a shit ton of racists personally (Meeting someone who isn't racist is extremely rare in my neck of the woods), and there's no getting through to them. Their hatred is engrained to such a degree that they wear it with pride. But I think the ones that make me lose hope are the really nice people. The people who are great parents and would give you the shirts off their back. Just when you get comfortable with them, they shock you by saying some extremely racist shit.

What's this you say about slavery? Could I get a linkypoo? I heard something about this about a year ago but never did my follow-up research. I wonder if the Frontline program is about the same thing?

You do know that one of the main reasons for the Revolutionary War was so that the slave owners could retain slavery in America.  That's why Washington, Jefferson and the other Southerners joined the rebels.  They wanted to keep their slaves and when the war was over they ended up running the new country.

[Drich]

So, what's left? Slavery is done for, we have civil rights on paper at least, we kicked God out of schools, and now we have marriage equality. But I keep hearing that this latest move is a step or a sign that "they're taking away our religious freedoms". But is there anything left to change for the betterment of America that was put in place for religious reasons?

I would be tempted to say taxing churches, but I wouldn't want to lose separation of church and state.

There is a whole new level of debauchery in which we as a society can move into. I think giving our young children the right to choose their gender is one. (allowing them to choose to be a boy or a girl even before they know what it fully means.) that seems to be topping the news lately.

Under age sex. We keep pushing the sexualization of children in this country. Movies, magazines etc...

Normalizing incest would be another direction society will go before too long.. as it is in our movies and is being pushing into our homes via popular TV shows. (right now for shock value, but before too long it will be the new 'normal.')

then you also have to strip the church of it place in the community, after all you have already blurred the lines between church and state when the state determines who can be apart of one of our most sacred covenants. (marriage)

Then force everyone to take a mark on their hand or forehead and we will be all set for the final judgement!

[Exian]

You do know that one of the main reasons for the Revolutionary War was so that the slave owners could retain slavery in America. That's why Washington, Jefferson and the other Southerners joined the rebels. They wanted to keep their slaves and when the war was over they ended up running the new country.

I'm a little confused. Did I say something contrary to this? I may have missed your point, I guess.

[Longhorn]

There is a whole new level of debauchery in which we as a society can move into. I think giving our young children the right to choose their gender is one. (allowing them to choose to be a boy or a girl even before they know what it fully means.) that seems to be topping the news lately.

That's not a choice. Nobody chooses their gender identity.

The word you're looking for is sex. But you can't give somebody a choice on their biological sex either. It's physically impossible, because it's determined before they're born.

What you're talking about is transgender rights. The choice to do whatever one pleases with one's body and the choice to make that body match one's gender identity to ease the discomfort of gender dysphoria. I can assure you that these surgeries are not performed on demand and that doctors and specialists make sure it is the right course of action. It's often a great advantage to the child, it can even prevent them from committing suicide later on in their life.

Before you say anything more, please read a bit on the subject. You sound like you have some misconceptions about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
http://transwhat.org/debunked/


(I'm the most naive person in the world, aren't I -_-)

[Exian]

then you also have to strip the church of it place in the community, after all you have already blurred the lines between church and state when the state determines who can be apart of one of our most sacred covenants. (marriage)

If you want to go that route, the lines were blurred when it was decided to give married folks tax advantages.

[Exian]

What popular TV show is normalizing incest? The two off the top of my head are Star Wars (it was a harmless kiss!) and the Old Boy remake (Elizabeth Olsen nakey )

The only other comment I can make on that is that the front page of my fvorite porn site is always inundated with "Brother bangs sister" nonsense, but you wouldn't be frequenting any porn sites, now would ya, Drippy?

[KevinM1]

Normalizing incest would be another direction society will go before too long.. as it is in our movies and is being pushing into our homes via popular TV shows. (right now for shock value, but before too long it will be the new 'normal.')

1. Name the TV shows.
2. You are aware of what Adam and Eve must have done to be the progenitors of the entire human species, right?

[Drich]

That's not a choice. Nobody chooses their gender identity.

:Jerkoff:
Which is why I said it was next on the list. Because it seems the phlosphy of 'gender identity' has now seemingly out witted Darwinism.

What you're talking about is transgender rights. The choice to do whatever one pleases with one's body and the choice to make that body match one's gender identity to ease the discomfort of gender dysphoria. I can assure you that these surgeries are not performed on demand and that doctors and specialists make sure it is the right course of action. It's often a great advantage to the child, it can even prevent them from committing suicide later on in their life.

You are proving my next point for me.
If a Child is adult enough to decide his sexual orientation, as well as his 'gender identity' then things like 'under age sexual contact' become archaic. How long before some perverse Doctor says having sex with some children will 'ease the comfort of their sexual frustration and 'dysphoria', and could help prevent a suicide later on in life?

Before you say anything more, please read a bit on the subject. You sound like you have some misconceptions about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
http://transwhat.org/debunked/

propaganda. Just because someone puts something in print does not make it a legit source. These are tertiary source materials which means they can twist anything any way they want with no respect to any intellectual guidelines.. again propaganda.

(I'm the most naive person in the world, aren't I -_-)

No, but you follow the path of the naïve.