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Are you scared of flying?
#21
RE: Are you scared of flying?
In one of the last few years there were cases with at least 5 fallen or disappeared planes, so I wouldn't say plane crashes are rare.
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#22
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote: In one of the last few years there were cases with at least 5 fallen or disappeared planes[...]

Out of how many planes that flew that year in total? I understand you have an irrational fear - that's fine. But your rationalizations are laughable.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#23
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Cato Wrote:

To be honest, flying is quite boring.

You're doing it wrong.

For a decade, my recreational activity of choice was soaring.
A sailplane is rather large in comparison to a motorcycle, but the view is unsurpassed.
Oddly, I am afraid of heights.  I never seem to be able to trust whatever is supporting me or what connects me to that.  Climbing a 15 meter antenna tower with full safety gear leaves me shaking when I return to the ground.
Somehow, sitting in a glider is a completely different experience, simultaneously both more and less involved.
More involved because you are constantly busy, mentally and physically, finding and working lift, navigating and manipulating the controls.  Less because when you are in the zone, the countryside rolls quietly along below like watching Google earth but you know you're not.  I think it was this disconnect that kept fear of injury from becoming real.  And it is only done on beautiful summer days in the country.
I called it my lawn chair in the sky.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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#24
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 8:47 pm)JuliaL Wrote: For a decade, my recreational activity of choice was soaring.

Now that sounds like a way to spend an afternoon.
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#25
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote: In one of the last few years there were cases with at least 5 fallen or disappeared planes, so I wouldn't say plane crashes are rare.

They are very rare compared with car crashes that result in deaths.  Go ahead and do some searching online for this; I don't want to be accused of providing biassed sites so I won't bother with any links at the moment.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#26
RE: Are you scared of flying?
Not sure if I'm scared or not. I only flew once in my life(or maybe twice, I can't remember). I kind of like the idea of it, but I am also aware of the possibility of something going wrong with a flight.

I am more scared about car driving, in general. Imagine if the skies were as full of planes as the roads are of cars.

But then again, we can't compare the two. When flying, you have to entrust an aviator with your life, whereas you can fairly easy drive your own car and are more likely to be able to do so, than man a flight. There are many other differences, obviously, I am just raising the issue seeing how some might compare the two.

I do love airports though, all because of one instance. I was awaiting to embark on a plane in one[airport], late at night, with my family. I might have been fourteen years old at the time and I remember standing there, in that great place, amidst many people preparing to travel or having arrived and moving in the distance, and feeling quite godlike, in fact. I don't know what came over me but I have never experienced something as great since. The feeling was so powerful that I was able to, I believe, convey it over the phone to a friend of mine, some time later.
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#27
RE: Are you scared of flying?
I love to fly. I give myself a neck ache wrenching around to see the different workings of the marvelous machine that allows me to scream across the sky at 500 knots and 38,000 ft.

Also, having an intimate familiarity with the equations and maths surrounding aeronautics, I have no worries about that. The pilot, on the other hand, is the most iffy part about flying. But I tend not to be a worrier about pretty much anything, much to a certain woman's chagrin.
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#28
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 8:52 pm)Cato Wrote:
(July 7, 2015 at 8:47 pm)JuliaL Wrote: For a decade, my recreational activity of choice was soaring.

Now that sounds like a way to spend an afternoon.

It was great fun in sun and fresh air.
Then they moved the gliderport 125km away and it became much more difficult.
My practice time was restricted and flying is something you want to do well or not at all.
So I gave it up.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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#29
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 8:09 pm)Beccs Wrote: My parents and some friends keep telling me I'm going to get myself killed and that I have a death wish because I like to do "risky" activities.

Sounds similar, but there's a bit of a backstory. My wife won't even ride a roller coaster. Me? Can't get enough, the more extreme the better, but she'll go as absurdly fast in a circle on anything close to the ground. I tried to explain that the sudden stop at ground level g-forces of those rides are just as mortal as a sudden stop from free fall. She understood, but she's simply terrified of heights (I have a funny story about how I 'tricked' her to get on the sky lift at Disney World).

When I was in the Navy a group of us planned a sky-diving trip. It was one of those deals where you could attend a short class and do a tandem jump with a discount for the full course and solo jump. We planned it two months in advance and my wife didn't like it, but had no problem with it. Two weeks before showtime the escapade is made a topic of conversation with my dipshit brother. In the same breath, his infinite Mormon wisdom allows him say something close to this, "That sounds great! I'd go with him if it weren't for the fact that Grandpa died in a skydiving accident".

He didn't lie, because this was a fact; however, it was my paternal grandfather whom I met once when I was five (he died when I was 11). I have only vague memories of meeting him; my brother was two at the time. I had also been estranged from my father since I was a teen so it's not like this was some deep dark family secret I was keeping from my wife. Before then, this 'Grandpa' was never a thought or a topic of conversation, let alone a barometer for living.

Alas, my first jump will exorcise many demons.
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#30
RE: Are you scared of flying?
(July 7, 2015 at 9:25 pm)Cato Wrote:
(July 7, 2015 at 8:09 pm)Beccs Wrote: My parents and some friends keep telling me I'm going to get myself killed and that I have a death wish because I like to do "risky" activities.

Sounds similar, but there's a bit of a backstory. My wife won't even ride a roller coaster. Me? Can't get enough, the more extreme the better, but she'll go as absurdly fast in a circle on anything close to the ground. I tried to explain that the sudden stop at ground level g-forces of those rides are just as mortal as a sudden stop from free fall. She understood, but she's simply terrified of heights (I have a funny story about how I 'tricked' her to get on the sky lift at Disney World).

When I was in the Navy a group of us planned a sky-diving trip. It was one of those deals where you could attend a short class and do a tandem jump with a discount for the full course and solo jump. We planned it two months in advance and my wife didn't like it, but had no problem with it. Two weeks before showtime the escapade is made a topic of conversation with my dipshit brother. In the same breath, his infinite Mormon wisdom allows him say something close to this, "That sounds great! I'd go with him if it weren't for the fact that Grandpa died in a skydiving accident".

He didn't lie, because this was a fact; however, it was my paternal grandfather whom I met once when I was five (he died when I was 11). I have only vague memories of meeting him; my brother was two at the time. I had also been estranged from my father since I was a teen so it's not like this was some deep dark family secret I was keeping from my wife. Before then, this 'Grandpa' was never a thought or a topic of conversation, let alone a barometer for living.

Alas, my first jump will exorcise many demons.

Always someone to try and ruin it for you.

Get yourself a good instructor and you'll enjoy it.  Takes a bit to convince yourself to go, but that's what the first tandem jump is for.

Spectacular!
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