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Can an atheist be ethical like theists
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 9:23 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm)huss88ein Wrote: [...] I think we can all agree that porn is horrible thing.

Nope. You must be watching the wrong kind. There's some good sh*t out there, nowadays...
How about incest is that good too

(July 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 8:44 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well I know that's not an accusation it is just if development of the western society is going for a society without a relegion then would that society be able to make people abide to its laws without any relegious foundations.

For example someone wont lie just because it's a bad thing but if he can escape some punishment he will and nothing bad would happen to him as there is no afterlife and so.

In response to that I give you the Scandinavian nations.

Among the lowest rates of religion in the world and consistently among the lists of the best nations to live in.
They also tend to kill themselves.
Worldwide surveys have consistently ranked the Scandinavian countries — with their generous family-leave policies, low crime, free health care, rich economies and, yes, high income taxes — as the happiest places on earth. But this happiness has always been accompanied by a paradox: the happiest countries also seem to have the highest suicide rates.

(July 15, 2015 at 9:16 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: In an earlier post you indicated that we should "search the word ethics and read in wikipedia by example that ethics came from relegion". I did that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics

It has very little to say about ethics being tied to religion or founded by religion. I believe that atheists are more ethical than theists. We don't have all of the religious bullshit clogging up our brains and thus making the ethical choice easier.

You need to listen for the "POP". That will be your head coming out of your ass.
Nothing is clogging my brain thank u.

I will ask u one question why are drugs bad? aren't they a choice? and doing them wont hurt anyone else so why are they bad from your point of view.
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#22
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Citation to you claim of high suicide rates, please
Dying to live, living to die.
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#23
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 9:29 pm)huss88ein Wrote: How about incest is that good too


And what has incest got to do with it? I was talking about porn. You and your mom may do as you please.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 9:53 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 9:29 pm)huss88ein Wrote: How about incest is that good too


And what has incest got to do with it? I was talking about porn. You and your mom may do as you please.
Well it is a choice so why is it bad from an atheist point of view that's the point of this discussion!!!!!
As for your porn loving personality I don't care.

Well according to what I have seen many here has proven to be impolite with name calling and curses I say to them thank u for proving my point at least in some of u.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 7:25 pm)huss88ein Wrote: For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

You've got to look at two possible scenarios:
1) You break some agreed upon taboo and your community beats the shit out of you.
2) You break some agreed upon taboo and God beats the shit out of you. 
Unfortunately He is unable to punish you directly so He calls upon your community to beat the shit out of you.
In both cases, you want to avoid being beaten and so try not to break the agreed upon taboos.

The two situations are identical except for the unproven claim of the supernatural in the second.
Why is this so difficult for theists to comprehend?


Hu88ein, do you have any reason other than divine command to say that porn is bad?
Would you be shocked to find that there are religions which do not agree?
Why do you prefer yours?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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#26
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Realy? This shit again? Already?!?

Dear OP, please learn to use the search feature. This topic has been beaten to death over the last month.
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
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#27
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm)huss88ein Wrote: I think we can all agree that porn is horrible thing.

Why the fuck would I agree with that?!?
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 7:25 pm)huss88ein Wrote: For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

Can a Muslim be intelligent like higher primates?
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 10:01 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 7:25 pm)huss88ein Wrote: For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

You've got to look at two possible scenarios:
1) You break some agreed upon taboo and your community beats the shit out of you.
2) You break some agreed upon taboo and God beats the shit out of you. 
Unfortunately He is unable to punish you directly so He calls upon your community to beat the shit out of you.

The two situations are identical except for the unproven claim of the supernatural in the second.
Why is this so difficult for theists to comprehend?
Well it is not but when u r an atheist and ur community is not it can do that but when th whole community is believing that there is no god so where would these laws come from.
Let me give u an example if we are the society and we all agree here as people of that society that doing drugs is a personal choice then there will be a law permitting that.

And if we all agree that robbing a bad person isn't a bad thing then we legitimize too.

And if we all agree that incest is a personal matter then we will legitimize it too.

And if we all agree that relegion is a disease we will eliminate all relegious people from our society because it is the law like what happened in china and Tibet.

So you see my point here it is all a matter of agreement of the majority. And the majority aren't always right .

By example the majority of people elected Hitler in germany.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 7:25 pm)huss88ein Wrote: For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?


This is how I determine right from wrong.

All humans live in the same physical universe, subject to the same physical laws, with (more or less) the same physical bodies.

From this, I can easily extrapolate that the things that I need in order to have well being and to thrive, are almost assuredly (with few exceptions) the same thing the rest of humanity also needs for their well being.

In other words, life is preferable to death, freedom is preferable to slavery, health is preferable to disease, comfort is preferable to discomfort, etc. 

All I need from there, is a bit of empathy and rationality.

Let me ask you something. If you did not have your religion, would you be our murdering, raping, stealing, torturing?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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