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Can an atheist be ethical like theists
#31
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 10:01 pm)JuliaL Wrote: You've got to look at two possible scenarios:
1) You break some agreed upon taboo and your community beats the shit out of  you.
2) You break some agreed upon taboo and God beats the shit out of you. 
Unfortunately He is unable to punish you directly so He calls upon your community to beat the shit out of you.

The two situations are identical except for the unproven claim of the supernatural in the second.
Why is this so difficult for theists to comprehend?
Well it is not but when u r an atheist and ur community is not it can do that but when th whole community is believing that there is no god so where would these laws come from.
Let me give u an example if we are the society and we all agree here as people of that society that doing drugs is a personal choice then there will be a law permitting that.

And if we all agree that robbing a bad person isn't a bad thing then we legitimize too.

And if we all agree that incest is a personal matter then we will legitimize it too.

And if we all agree that relegion is a disease we will eliminate all relegious people from our society because it is the law like what happened in china and Tibet.

So you see my point here it is all a matter of agreement of the majority. And the majority aren't always right .

By example the majority of people elected Hitler in germany.

By example the religion of Islam caused IS to cut off heads and smash collective patrimony of humans civilization, in the 21st century.

Democracy beat hitler.  Is Islam going to beat itself?
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#32
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Wow. This one is all fucking over the place with his arguments. Most at least let you see the new goal post location before moving them again. This one just has them in constant motion.
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#33
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
It only took three pages to invoke Godwin. Congrats, OP.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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#34
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Beccs Wrote: Citation to you claim of high suicide rates, please
How about drugs rates how about prostitution rates how about rape rates how about many other rates which cites that people are lost without a relegion and doing whatever pleases them.
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#35
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
"Can an atheist be ethical like theists"

Actually I'll correct my previous response.

I'll state that atheists can't be ethical like theists.

Considering the institutionalised molestation of children and protection of the molesters by one large organisation, the institutionalise tortured, misogyny, continual wars, of another world wide religion, and stats that show the more religious an area is, the more primitive and hateful the attitudes of the region, I'll state tthat generally, atheists are MORE ethical than theists.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#36
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Beccs Wrote: Citation to you claim of high suicide rates, please
How about drugs rates how about prostitution rates how about rape rates how about many other rates which cites that people are lost without a relegion and doing whatever pleases them.

CITATION, not CLAIMS.
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#37
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 7:25 pm)huss88ein Wrote: For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

You are ignorant on so many levels.

I am not attempting to demean you, but morality predates religion.

The only thing preventing a religious person from doing something immoral is the promise of an afterlife.  

That is not morality; rather, that merely represents the willingness to be immoral if an afterlife was not promised.

That is scary.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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#39
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Beccs Wrote: Citation to you claim of high suicide rates, please
How about drugs rates how about prostitution rates how about rape rates how about many other rates which cites that people are lost without a relegion and doing whatever pleases them.


Sweden, with its very liberal sex and drug policies, used to have one of the lowest rape rates in the world.

Their rape rate is now one of the worst.

Do you want to know what the rise in Sweden's rape rates are correlated with?

The immigration of Muslims.

Muslim men constituent only 2% of the population of Sweden, yet they are responsible for 77.6% of the rapes. Why can't Muslim men control themselves?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#40
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Morality doesn't depend on religion - You can be moral and non-religious, and you can be moral and religious - You can be immoral and religions, and immoral and non-religious. I don't see the world as composed by good and evil people, but people who do good and bad, and some do more good and some do more bad. It's that simple. There isn't even a single definition on what constitutes good and evil because there's gray areas and interesting philosophical questions.

In theory, one could easily argue that atheists can be good but don't need to be since there's no ultimate reward or punishment (aside from the fact it is illegal and gets you jailtime, but that's not a good reason right?) but religionists needn't either because all they gotta do is to believe and they'll get into heaven - Heck, sometimes you can get into heaven after doing horrible things.
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