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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (July 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote: How about drugs rates how about prostitution rates how about rape rates how about many other rates which cites that people are lost without a relegion and doing whatever pleases them.
Sweden, with its very liberal sex and drug policies, used to have one of the lowest rape rates in the world.
Their rape rate is now one of the worst.
Do you want to know what the rise in Sweden's rape rates are correlated with?
The immigration of Muslims.
Muslim men constituent only 2% of the population of Sweden, yet they are responsible for 77.6% of the rapes. Why can't Muslim men control themselves?
Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
We had the same in Sydney a number of years back. A group of Muslim "men" decided to go out and gang rape women because, apparently, "Western women deserved it".
There's an indication that their morality was beneath that of the average atheist.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:42 pm
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(July 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (July 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote: How about drugs rates how about prostitution rates how about rape rates how about many other rates which cites that people are lost without a relegion and doing whatever pleases them.
Sweden, with its very liberal sex and drug policies, used to have one of the lowest rape rates in the world.
Their rape rate is somewhat higher now.
Do you want to know what the rise in Sweden's rape rates are correlated with?
The immigration of Muslims.
Muslim men constituent only 2% of the population of Sweden, yet they are responsible for 77.6% of the rapes. Why can't Muslim men control themselves? Can you actually provide evidence for this statistic? I mean, immigration policies are diverse and I'm certain Sweden hasn't received just Muslim immigrants, not to mention that the definition of what constitutes rape varies and sometimes there's different degrees of sexual assault. I'm not saying the statistic is false, I just want to know where you're getting the facts from.
Quote:The rate of exposure to sexual offences has remained relatively unchanged, according to the SCS, since the first survey was conducted in 2006, despite an increase in the number of reported sex crimes.[41] This discrepancy can largely be explained by reforms in sex crime legislation, widening of the definition of rape,[42] and an effort by the Government to decrease the number of unreported cases.[35]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:44 pm
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(July 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm)Chuck Wrote: (July 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well it is not but when u r an atheist and ur community is not it can do that but when th whole community is believing that there is no god so where would these laws come from.
Let me give u an example if we are the society and we all agree here as people of that society that doing drugs is a personal choice then there will be a law permitting that.
And if we all agree that robbing a bad person isn't a bad thing then we legitimize too.
And if we all agree that incest is a personal matter then we will legitimize it too.
And if we all agree that relegion is a disease we will eliminate all relegious people from our society because it is the law like what happened in china and Tibet.
So you see my point here it is all a matter of agreement of the majority. And the majority aren't always right .
By example the majority of people elected Hitler in germany.
By example the religion of Islam caused IS to cut off heads and smash collective patrimony of humans civilization, in the 21st century.
Democracy beat hitler. Is Islam going to beat itself? I told you already this is politics and ut has nothing to do with religion even if the people behind it claims so.
By example the US has invaded Vietnam, Iraque , Afghanistan in the name of democracy and look at the results people were killed oil been stolen and Iran is a nuclear country.
But you never replied to the points I made.
(July 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: (July 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Sweden, with its very liberal sex and drug policies, used to have one of the lowest rape rates in the world.
Their rape rate is now one of the worst.
Do you want to know what the rise in Sweden's rape rates are correlated with?
The immigration of Muslims.
Muslim men constituent only 2% of the population of Sweden, yet they are responsible for 77.6% of the rapes. Why can't Muslim men control themselves?
Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
We had the same in Sydney a number of years back. A group of Muslim "men" decided to go out and gang rape women because, apparently, "Western women deserved it".
There's an indication that their morality was beneath that of the average atheist. Wow now you're referring to a group of people as a reference.
Well anybody can be a lowlife that's the answer.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:51 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 10:42 pm)Dystopia Wrote: (July 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Sweden, with its very liberal sex and drug policies, used to have one of the lowest rape rates in the world.
Their rape rate is somewhat higher now.
Do you want to know what the rise in Sweden's rape rates are correlated with?
The immigration of Muslims.
Muslim men constituent only 2% of the population of Sweden, yet they are responsible for 77.6% of the rapes. Why can't Muslim men control themselves? Can you actually provide evidence for this statistic? I mean, immigration policies are diverse and I'm certain Sweden hasn't received just Muslim immigrants, not to mention that the definition of what constitutes rape varies and sometimes there's different degrees of sexual assault. I'm not saying the statistic is false, I just want to know where you're getting the facts from.
Quote:The rate of exposure to sexual offences has remained relatively unchanged, according to the SCS, since the first survey was conducted in 2006, despite an increase in the number of reported sex crimes.[41] This discrepancy can largely be explained by reforms in sex crime legislation, widening of the definition of rape,[42] and an effort by the Government to decrease the number of unreported cases.[35]
Swedish Rape Rates
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The blue bar represents Swedish born rapists.
Red bar is foreign born.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Yet you still haven't provided citation of your claims.
You ALSO are picking and choosing what you answer and what you ignore.
Some inconvenient truths appearing, huh?
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:55 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm)huss88ein Wrote: (July 15, 2015 at 10:01 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
The two situations are identical except for the unproven claim of the supernatural in the second.
Why is this so difficult for theists to comprehend?
whole community is believing that there is no god so where would these laws come from.
Let me give u an example if we are the society and we all agree here as people of that society that doing drugs is a personal choice then there will be a law permitting that.
And if we all agree that robbing a bad person isn't a bad thing then we legitimize too.
And if we all agree that incest is a personal matter then we will legitimize it too.
Moral rules are the product of selection over thousands of generations of various societies.
And they come up with some pretty strange rules.
There are actually societies that internally agree that cutting off the tip of men's penises is a good thing to do.
Then they claim that some God told them to do it.
And don't get me started on dietary conventions......
Some people drink secretions of cows.
Weird but true.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:56 pm
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(July 15, 2015 at 10:51 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Red bar is foreign born.
That hardly means that Muslims are responsible for 77.6% of rapes.
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Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 10:56 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2015 at 10:56 pm by huss88ein.)
People just saying stop the argument about individuals and reply to my questions
why are drugs bad aren't they a choice?
Why is incist bad isn't it a choice?
Why is robbing another country's oil is bad isn't it beneficial to the economy?
Why being naked in public is bad you're not hurting anyone?
People just saying stop the argument about individuals and reply to my questions
why are drugs bad aren't they a choice?
Why is incist bad isn't it a choice?
Why is robbing another country's oil is bad isn't it beneficial to the economy?
Why being naked in public is bad you're not hurting anyone?
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 11:00 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 10:44 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Wow now you're referring to a group of people as a reference.
Well anybody can be a lowlife that's the answer.
Seriously?!
Sweden went from the lowest rape rate in Europe in the 80's, to the second highest in the world since Muslim immigration, and you are blaming it on a few lowlifes?
Read that statistic again, 77.6% of all rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by only 2% of the entire population. Just how do these few lowlifes get around Sweden? How much free time do they have?
Since Muslim immigration into Sweden, rape has gone up 1472%.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
July 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 10:56 pm)huss88ein Wrote: People just saying stop the argument about individuals and reply to my questions
why are drugs bad aren't they a choice?
I don't think drugs should be illegal and I don't think there's anything ethical or unethical about drug use because they are the individual's choice.
Quote:Why is incist bad isn't it a choice?
I don't think incest is "bad" (a little icky, maybe) either.
Quote:Why is robbing another country's oil is bad isn't it beneficial to the economy?
Because robbery infringes on the consent of another entity.
Quote:Why being naked in public is bad you're not hurting anyone?
I don't think nudity in public should be illegal for the simple reason that offense is taken, not given.
What else 'ya got?
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