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Can an atheist be ethical like theists
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Judging by what is happening in the middle east now, shouldn't the question be:
Can a theist be moral like an atheist?
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#12
RE: Can an athiest be ethical like thiests
(July 15, 2015 at 8:18 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I can't be the Islamic type of ethical, that's for sure. I like women, I love teh gays, I like free speech.

Hardly compatible.
Me too except for the gays part but lets agree to make that for another discussion in order to concentrate on the main point.
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#13
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Quote:You r missing the whole point if someone is doing something bad in the name of something it doesn't mean he is representing it by example many countries were invaded by the name of democracy that doesn't mean that democracy is a bad thing.

Hey.  YOU asked the question, dummy.  Your implication is that you think your bullshit makes you ethical. 

It does not.  Perhaps on the Arabian peninsula in the 9th century it was ethical but we are now in the 21st century.... and muslims are not my idea of ethical.
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#14
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
Nope, as an atheist I would never blow you up for believing in Allah. Nor would I start a crusade to force you not to believe. Nor would I kill homosexuals, adulterers, or take glee in the eternal damnation of others. In short I'm way too moral to behave like a theist.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 8:45 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Judging by what is happening in the middle east now, shouldn't the question be:
Can a theist be moral like an atheist?
Again man what is happening in the middle east is more political than relegious, people are committing horrible things in the name of something so they can get approval no more.

as if you're saying I'm an atheist so I must kill religious people.
And before you deny it remember it's happened in China, Russia......etc
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#16
RE: Can an athiest be ethical like thiests
(July 15, 2015 at 8:48 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 8:18 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I can't be the Islamic type of ethical, that's for sure. I like women, I love teh gays, I like free speech.

Hardly compatible.
Me too except for the gays part but lets agree to make that for another discussion in order to concentrate on the main point.
Well, I say it's entirely germane to the main point. Your religion subjugates women, stifles free speech, and commits acts of extreme hate against gay people.

I could never be that kind of "ethical."

Calling some of the tenets of your religion ethical is fucking laughable in my book.

So, keeping it on topic, I would say disliking an entire group of people for something that they cannot control and has no effect on you is highly unethical and immoral.

What's wrong with gay people, Hussein?
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:You r missing the whole point if someone is doing something bad in the name of something it doesn't mean he is representing it by example many countries were invaded by the name of democracy that doesn't mean that democracy is a bad thing.

Hey.  YOU asked the question, dummy.  Your implication is that you think your bullshit makes you ethical. 

It does not.  Perhaps on the Arabian peninsula in the 9th century it was ethical but we are now in the 21st century.... and muslims are not my idea of ethical.
Wow too much hate .
As I said before don't take personal it's not.

(July 15, 2015 at 8:54 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 8:48 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Me too except for the gays part but lets agree to make that for another discussion in order to concentrate on the main point.
Well, I say it's entirely germane to the main point. Your religion subjugates women, stifles free speech, and commits acts of extreme hate against gay people.

I could never be that kind of "ethical."

Calling some of the tenets of your religion ethical is fucking laughable in my book.

So, keeping it on topic, I would say disliking an entire group of people for something that they cannot control and has no effect on you is highly unethical and immoral.

What's wrong with gay people, Hussein?
Not true.
And I promise I will make a discussion about the gays and how is that seen in islam.

And for women aren't they free to decide , you deciding for them is not freedom.

(July 15, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Nope, as an atheist I would never blow you up for believing in Allah. Nor would I start a crusade to force you not to believe. Nor would I kill homosexuals, adulterers, or take glee in the eternal damnation of others. In short I'm way too moral to behave like a theist.
Me neither as for adulterers to be punished 4 people should see him/her in the act in a public place and that's the definition of porn I think we can all agree that porn is horrible thing.
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RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 8:44 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 8:22 pm)Beccs Wrote: Most of us are ethical DESPITE our religious upbringings

As are many theists.
Well I know that's not an accusation it is just if development of the western society is going for a society without a relegion then would that society be able to make people abide to its laws without any relegious foundations.

For example someone wont lie just because it's a bad thing but if he can escape some punishment he will and nothing bad would happen to him as there is no afterlife and so.

In response to that I give you the Scandinavian nations.

Among the lowest rates of religion in the world and consistently among the lists of the best nations to live in.
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#19
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
In an earlier post you indicated that we should "search the word ethics and read in wikipedia by example that ethics came from relegion". I did that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics

It has very little to say about ethics being tied to religion or founded by religion. I believe that atheists are more ethical than theists. We don't have all of the religious bullshit clogging up our brains and thus making the ethical choice easier.

You need to listen for the "POP". That will be your head coming out of your ass.
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#20
RE: Can an atheist be ethical like theists
(July 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm)huss88ein Wrote: [...] I think we can all agree that porn is horrible thing.

Nope. You must be watching the wrong kind. There's some good sh*t out there, nowadays...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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