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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 1:41 am
(July 15, 2015 at 11:25 pm)HiYou Wrote: I was hoping to have some sincere, well thought out, conscientious genuine replies, but none have been forthcoming yet.
Maybe tomorrow. I believe in miracles.
I am praying for a miracle will arrive by the time I come back on here
The reason you're getting these types of reactions is that you've leapt in with both feet, declaring your beliefs to be true without introducing yourself nor stating your intentions here. You also didn't use the search function to see that this argument has been discussed ad nauseum, and most people are tired of rehashing the flaws in this line of reasoning over and over.
Firstly, you have made the illogical leap from a "necessary" first cause to a sentient creator. What I see as the bigger problem, however, is your misuse of cause and effect. Not only does quantum physics show that your understanding of cause and effect doesn't apply at the scale of a singularity, you're using the cause and effect principle, which is a temporal observation, for when time does not exist. All effects are preceded in time by their cause. That is part of the principle of cause and effect, and if time does not exist, as modern cosmology shows is true at the beginning of the universe, that principle cannot apply.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 1:52 am
Hello.
Your arguments are ones we've heard endlessly before and are not valid. If you're interested in finding out why that is, you can learn from us. If you're just going to tell us how wrong we are and throw bible verses at us, you're wasting everyone's time.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 2:16 am
Quote:I do not believe the universe or universes could always have existed
I also don't believe the universe can start up from nothing
I therefore believe
I deem this uncreated Creator to be personal, intelligent and accessible
No one gives a flying fuck what you believe.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 2:25 am
Hey CL, I hope you see this guy and understand why this community treats incoming theists with suspicion.
OP:
What is your "scientific" basis for rejecting infinite regression?
How do you define "nothing", as mentioned in your OP?
Why do you not consider other contending ideas?
Why would rejection of any of that lead to "god" as a probable explanation?
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 2:55 am
Mao Mao, Stop baffling the poor guy with scientific stuff!
Your professionalism is not appreciated in Islam... Put a burqa on and shut up! hehe
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 3:06 am
If you have no problem accepting Thor not being the cause of lighting then it should be no problem accepting none of this needs a cognition.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 3:32 am
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 3:38 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2015 at 3:40 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
What is it with the nutty Muslims all of a sudden? Ramadan getting you guys down?
OP, nobody cares about your beliefs. Nobody cares about what you believe to be true, and nobody cares about your silly religion. What we care about, rather, is evidence to back up your beliefs. Until you come back with that particular miracle, you're wasting everyone's time.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 3:48 am
(July 16, 2015 at 3:38 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: What is it with the nutty Muslims all of a sudden? Ramadan getting you guys down?
OP, nobody cares about your beliefs. Nobody cares about what you believe to be true, and nobody cares about your silly religion. What we care about, rather, is evidence to back up your beliefs. Until you come back with that particular miracle, you're wasting everyone's time.
I'm ok with it being muslims. Gives us a little variety to our discussions. At least, when it's actually a discussion. I arguably know more about christianity being a former lutheran, than I do about islam (most of which was learned through the filter of the military, IE not a positive filter).
So there's an off chance that, for me at least, there could be something for me to learn. Though I'm not holding my breath...
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 16, 2015 at 4:10 am
(July 15, 2015 at 10:34 pm)HiYou Wrote: Bla-bla-bla bullshit......
You really, really need to check yourself in there:
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