Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Homeless Nutter]

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3) How their dead brains could create hallucinations?
Hallucinations can only be perceived when the brain is alive and active not dead.[...]

And yet you appear to be brain-dead AND deluded at the same time.

[Little Rik]

You are correct in saying.........LIMITED consciousness but as far as the differences between us humans and God is all about a consciousness that is dormant or latent and a consciousness that is fully aware as in God case.

I've read various descriptions of full blown mystical experiences which are explained as a oneness with the Divine/Cosmic Consciousness/God or whatever you want to call it.  None of them include information about the experiences etc of everything in the universe even though Cosmic Consciousness would have this information because it is everything in the universe and has been since the physical universe began.  This suggests to me that a human is still very limited in what he or she is equipped to absorb from the experience because the human brain isn't capable of handling it.

Some philosophers of the past reckon that humans are only able to perceive less than 1 % of what is there. Like an iceberg that only show a tiny amount of the whole.
But who really care after all.
As far as you put your trust in that cosmic consciousness the whole will be given to you in the due time.  

 My personal consciousness is a product of my brain.  When my brain dies it will no longer produce my  personal consciousness.

That is your guessing which i don't agree with.

By personal consciousness I mean this little individual, Confused Ape.  I'm not really an individual, though.  I'm a manifestation of Cosmic Consciousness playing a role in the physical universe.  I'm only Confused Ape because of the body and brain that Cosmic Consciousness is currently wearing as me.  I can't sing, understand higher mathematics, run the four minute mile or paint beautiful pictures because my body and brain aren't equipped for these things. This doesn't matter to Cosmic Consciousness because it's also playing the roles of other humans who can do these things.

I wouldn't really worry whether i can or can not do so many things.
As i just said above the main thing is to put your trust in this cosmic consciousness.
All the rest is really not that important.
How could something that does not lead to real progress like the material world be important?
Why go around and around and getting nowhere is important?

My believe is that when you will be ready you will merge in this ocean of cosmic consciousness.
You were that entity before and you will go back in it.

If I go back to it I will cease to exist as Confused Ape.  I'll be absorbed into the source which will retain all the information it acquired from playing the role of me.

This can be a difficult philosophical point.
A drop of water that merge into the big ocean doesn't have in her consciousness the dilemma whether it is important or not to merge into the ocean in order to know information or to know any other thing.
She just merge to be back home just like the son that going back home after a long long absence make his father very happy.

All the matter get recycle so your body will also get recycle but the consciousness will not.
The only differences that the consciousness will produce is related to getting more or less awareness.
Awareness of who we really are.

The way I see it the awareness will be the fact that I'm not real.  My body and brain are just a costume worn by Cosmic Consciousness playing a role. Everything in the physical universe is a costume which Cosmic Consciousness is wearing as it plays all these roles at the same time as playing me.

In a way yes but don't forget that this is His game.
Yours is totally different.
You role is to expand your consciousness until a parallelism between you and the cosmic consciousness is reached.    

[Little Rik]

[...]
3) How their dead brains could create hallucinations?
Hallucinations can only be perceived when the brain is alive and active not dead.[...]

And yet you appear to be brain-dead AND deluded at the same time.

Sure, sure but can you please tell me if a river can be stopped from merging into the sea?
Have you ever seen that happening?  

[Little Rik]

How would either the doctor or patient know when the experience occurs? Maybe the "visions" occurred at the moment of trauma, or on the ambulance ride to the hospital? Doctors can only assess clinical death, when blood stops circulating, heart stops beating, and breathing stops, We know that the brain remains active for almost a minute during clinical death.

So you reckon that in a minute these people could perceive things that last longer than a minute?
Why don't you read some of these experiences and see whether the time match or not?

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._s_nde.htm

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

[Little Rik]

When there is activity in the brain, it is not dead.

When the brain is dead, there is no activity.

Doctors do not know where that line is.  Doctors are wrong all the time.

Anyone that experiences NDE was not dead at that moment.

Oh, that is very interesting.
So from now on i should rely on people like you rather than from people who study for years and years like doctors.
You make my day IAT. 

[Homeless Nutter]

Sure, sure but can you please tell me if a river can be stopped from merging into the sea?
Have you ever seen that happening? 

Yes. It's called "a dam".
Also - many rivers fall into lakes, not connected to seas. 
Oh, yeah - and sometimes there are things called "droughts", which stop some rivers from going anywhere. 

So, what's your point, genius?

[Iroscato]

Holy shit, just read through the rest of the thread to catch up.

Rik, you are the single most stupid person I have ever met. You have triumphed over Herculean - nay, Sisyphean competition in this field to emerge atop the podium of idiocy, and raise the trophy of the herp derp. You have not only raised stupidity to an art form, but turned it into a deep and sacred covenant replete with its own wikipedia page and monthly subscription service.
I am more stupid for having read your posts. In fact, the affliction is progressive, and I desperately type this post before my brain degenrates into a puddle of inorganic slop and I foon dooble garglefargaderp hoopoolisaddjnwefn wfjn433re/.l;kpjiou9tres,;jnoihobguytyrf654jkbhiugirtf6

[Confused Ape]

There is enough evidence to prove that NDEs are real experiences.
When the brain is declared dead by a doctor and when the consciousness is alive and well
this is evidence that the consciousness can be active outside a dead brain.

I've been looking at articles on the Ananda Marga website so this reply will be somewhat long.  First, Brahma.

Spiritual Philosophy

The spiritual philosophy of Ananda Marga recognizes that God is one, and that the universe is the creation of His mental thought-waves. Thus it is said: “Brahma is the absolute truth, and the universe is also truth, but relative.” The diversities of this universe are the transitory transformations of part of His infinite cosmic “body” in a never-ending flow. This implies that life and the universe will never end, but that parts of it are continuously being created from Him and concurrently merging back into Him.

The universe exists as an ever-changing, constantly moving phenomenon. He has transformed a part of Himself into the drama of the world of which we are all a part. But He is also beyond all relativity and transitory existence. He is beyond time, space and mind. He is the Causal Entity. One cannot even begin to imagine Him, let alone speak about Him.

Everything on the Andanda Marga website is an attempt to describe what's going on as seen from the very limited human point of view.  In order to do this, Brahma has been divided up into different aspects and the aspects have been given labels.  

Cosmology

Because the individual mind comes out of the solid factor from a small part of the Cosmic Mind latent within that factor, it is said that “the microcosm is a miniature of the Macrocosm.” It can therefore be seen that mind comes from matter, and matter – via the Cosmic Mind – in turn comes from Consciousness.

The entities who currently think they are Little Rik and Confused Ape are minds.

Life, Death And Rebirth

There is one more element that we must examine before we can fully understand the process of life, death and rebirth. In every living being there is not only a physical body and not only a mind, but also an “Atman” or unit of witnessing consciousness. This witnessing consciousness is the ultimate witness of the mind and is the source of the “I feeling” in the statement “I know that I exist.” The “I” which verifies the existence of the three functional parts of the mind is known as the Atman. It is the imperishable unit of consciousness and is the key to unlocking the mystery of life, death and rebirth.

So what happens to us when we die?

When a person dies, the vital energy of the body (prana) enters a state of disequilibrium and leaves the body. With the loss of the vital energies, the physical body ceases to function. The formerly living person loses all sense of pleasure, pain and self-consciousness. Although the mind enters a “long sleep” at the time of death, it has not perished as the physical body has. The samskaras – reactive momenta of the mind – exist and are recorded in the causal mind. The Atman remains as the witness of this inactive mind.

This suggests that an NDE is exactly that - a near death experience.  People who have had an NDE report the thoughts and feelings they had while undergoing the experience which can only mean that the body/brain is still functioning enough on some level to support the mind which is temporarily inhabiting it.  A 100% death experience would be a blank because the mind can't experience anything without a physical form.

So what about the mysterious Atman?  It witnesses all the thoughts and feelings etc of the mind so when the mind is dormant there can't be any thoughts and feelings etc to witness.

[Mr.wizard]

How would either the doctor or patient know when the experience occurs? Maybe the "visions" occurred at the moment of trauma, or on the ambulance ride to the hospital? Doctors can only assess clinical death, when blood stops circulating, heart stops beating, and breathing stops, We know that the brain remains active for almost a minute during clinical death.

So you reckon that in a minute these people could perceive things that last longer than a minute?
Why don't you read some of these experiences and see whether the time match or not?

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._s_nde.htm

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

How would you know it lasts longer than a minute, Also in my response it says you have no way of knowing when the visions began. There are also people with NDE's that say their entire life flashes before them in an instant, are they lying?

[TheRealJoeFish]

I am more stupid for having read your posts. In fact, the affliction is progressive, and I desperately type this post before my brain degenrates into a puddle of inorganic slop and I foon dooble garglefargaderp hoopoolisaddjnwefn wfjn433re/.l;kpjiou9tres,;jnoihobguytyrf654jkbhiugirtf6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ4Sb_rnCqw