"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Has Science done away with a need for God?
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 "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."  RE: Has Science done away with a need for God?
July 28, 2015 at 10:35 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2015 at 10:36 am by Kingpin.)
We are not made happy by what we acquire but by what we appreciate.
Science DOES answer 'the why' questions, you just don't like the answer it gives. You're looking for purpose and meaning, traits that are observed in the actions of conscious beings. Prove there can be a consciousness without a brain, and we'll get somewhere.
 "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
Conventional science readily admits (insists) that the brain is made of the same particles that constitute everything else in the universe: rocks, chairs, comets, meteors, galaxies.
According to conventional physicists, these particles are not conscious. Therefore, there is no reason to conclude the brain is conscious. The brain has no more ability to spawn consciousness than a rock does. But we are conscious so this proves the brain is producing consciousness—because, where else could we look for an explanation? Which is called circular reasoning. Meaning: you already assume what you’re trying to prove. Bottom line? All conventional scientific arguments for the brain as the “place of consciousness” are futile and absurd. And this leads to something beyond scientific and philosophic materialism. It leads to non-material consciousness.
We are not made happy by what we acquire but by what we appreciate.
(July 28, 2015 at 11:05 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Conventional science readily admits (insists) that the brain is made of the same particles that constitute everything else in the universe: rocks, chairs, comets, meteors, galaxies. Composition fallacy. Google it. *Yawn* Quote:But we are conscious so this proves the brain is producing consciousness—because, where else could we look for an explanation? Which is called circular reasoning. Meaning: you already assume what you’re trying to prove. Demonstrate consciousness outside of a brain. It's that simple. (July 28, 2015 at 11:05 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Conventional science readily admits (insists) that the brain is made of the same particles that constitute everything else in the universe: rocks, chairs, comets, meteors, galaxies. So I assume you'll have no problem consenting to a bit of invasive brain surgery, no? Let's remove certain parts of this brain that allegedly doesn't produce your consciousness and see what happens. You're down with that, right? And if not you, perhaps we could perform the operation on a loved one. No problem, right? If not, why not? 
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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