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Evisceration of the Exodus myth
#11
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
So "Xtianity Today" is your source?  Laughable.

See what they wrote here.


Quote:Answering these skeptics, however, is not always so easy as one might expect. The fact is that not one shred of direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob or the 400-plus years the children of Israel sojourned in Egypt. The same is true for their miraculous exodus from slavery.


They got that part right.

Add in the so-called Conquest which is horseshit, too.


It is not worth subscribing to this bullshit to find out what "miraculous" proof these shitheads think they have come up with.  I'm sure its a doozie.
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#12
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
(August 9, 2015 at 10:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So "Xtianity Today" is your source?  Laughable.

See what they wrote here.


Quote:Answering these skeptics, however, is not always so easy as one might expect. The fact is that not one shred of direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob or the 400-plus years the children of Israel sojourned in Egypt. The same is true for their miraculous exodus from slavery.


They got that part right.

Add in the so-called Conquest which is horseshit, too.


It is not worth subscribing to this bullshit to find out what "miraculous" proof these shitheads think they have come up with.  I'm sure its a doozie.

Shows that their not trying to evade the the facts. As I said, the amount of circumstantial evidence continues to grow.
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#13
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
(August 9, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Lek Wrote: Seems like archaeologists are coming up with more circumstantial evidence over time to support the bible stories.  I found the article below, as well as others.  I'm not ready to write off the old testament as myth.

  http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/1998...ta044.html

From your link:

Quote:Answering these skeptics, however, is not always so easy as one might expect. The fact is that not one shred of direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob or the 400-plus years the children of Israel sojourned in Egypt. The same is true for their miraculous exodus from slavery. And remember those reassuring Sunday-school stories about archaeologists finding Jericho's walls lying outward just as the Book of Joshua suggests they fell? It turns out that the most respected archaeologist ...


Maybe the article goes on to supply some circumstantial evidence but the free read portion ends where my quote does.  Might you give us a little of that circumstantial evidence?

[I see Min beat me to the punch].
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#14
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
(August 9, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Lek Wrote: Shows that their not trying to evade the the facts.  As I said, the amount of circumstantial evidence continues to grow.

Give us your very best three pieces of circumstantial evidence.  Got any examples?
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#15
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
We're waiting.

Tick, tock, tick, tock, Lek.
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#16
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
(August 9, 2015 at 10:25 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(August 9, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Lek Wrote: Shows that their not trying to evade the the facts.  As I said, the amount of circumstantial evidence continues to grow.

Give us your very best three pieces of circumstantial evidence.  Got any examples?

There are still flies in Egypt. Could be descendants of the fourth plaque. Is that circumstantial enough for you?

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#17
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
(August 9, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Lek Wrote: Seems like archaeologists are coming up with more circumstantial evidence over time to support the bible stories.

You do realize that article is from 1998? Or did you hope, we wouldn't realize?

I can't be arsed to look all the recent evidence to the contrary. But a lot of jewish archeologists hold the opinion of the exodus never having happened.

As for the story itself - notice that pharao never has a name. And as has been said, a real pharao and his army would have been missed. Enough so to make it into writing.
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#18
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
Don't forget about the million man army from Sudan that invaded Judea. It had the same travel agent that Moses used.
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#19
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
A few days ago in RL, I had a theist proudly state that they have recently found evidence of camps along the route of the biblical exodus...I just shook my head in amazement...um...2 camels and 7 people does not an exodus make. yes, there are routes of common travel across the Sinai desert and to no surprise, evidence of such camps...but No, there is zero evidence that 2 million people stomped around in a huge circle in the Sinai desert for 40 years.
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#20
RE: Evisceration of the Exodus myth
Here's the bio for the man you're quoting, Kevin Miller, in that 1998 article:

https://www.huntington.edu/hu-ventures/m...vin-miller

For those who don't know, Huntington is a private Christian fundamentalist university, whose mission statement reads as follows:

Quote:Huntington University is a Christ-centered liberal arts institution of higher education with a strong historic and ongoing relationship with the Church of the United Brethren in Christ, USA. With the conviction that all truth is God’s truth, the University exists to carry out the mission of Christ in higher education.
Through a curriculum of demonstrated academic excellence, students are educated in the liberal arts and their chosen disciplines, always seeking to examine the relationship between the disciplines and God's revelation in Jesus Christ.
The University’s mission will be accomplished as we …

  1. develop in students a commitment to scholarship that is persistent in its pursuit of truth and sensitive to the concerns of the Christian church, the scholarly and educational community, and the world at large;  

  2. educate students broadly for a life of moral and spiritual integrity, personal and social responsibility, and a continued quest for wisdom;  

  3. equip students for a variety of vocations so that they may glorify the Creator, who charged humanity with the care of his Creation;  

  4. help students develop their abilities for a life of God-honoring service to others and for personal fulfillment.  

How many times do we need to explain to you that these fundamentalist organizations are just "incestuous thought-circles" where everyone goes in with their presuppositions, ignores anything that shows these presuppositions are even potentially false, and then says "yay I found my presuppositions are true!" before repeating them around and around in the same circles until everyone in their circle is convinced that "Everyone" agrees that it's solid scholarship.

I'm not so much surprised that you think citing such material is valid, but I am surprised you'd think it's a solid-enough basis to demonstrate the validity of your ideas to people outside of your incestuous thought-circle community. Like us.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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