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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 9:15 am
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(August 15, 2015 at 6:35 am)abaris Wrote: I have no fear of death, since not existing simply implies not knowing I no longer exist, since I don't exist anymore. It was that way before I was born and if I hadn't been born I wouldn't know the difference.
The only thing worrying me at times is the process of dying. That can take on all kind of forms, not many of them pretty.
Same. I remember fearing death as a child but now, I can't even relate to that fear. It seems thoroughly irrational. I can understand not wanting to die before experiencing certain things, but that's not the root of the intense fear most people have, which isn't about wasting your life but fear of the actual state of death.
What can possibly be frightening about non-existence, nothingness? Or as Bart Simposon would say: "You know what would be scarier than nothing? ANYTHING!"
"Faith is a state of openness or trust. To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water. You don't grab hold of the water when you swim, because if you do you will become stiff and tight in the water, and sink. You have to relax, and the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging, and holding on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be."
Alan Watts
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 9:16 am
Rik,
Kinpin and CL are shaking their heads in disbelief and embarrassment and trying their hardest to distance themselves from you.
Does that not tell you anything about anything?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 9:18 am
Very well said Vic. I couldn't have put it better.
You know what? I think you are 100% cured of the disease of religion.
Well done.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 9:28 am
(August 15, 2015 at 9:16 am)ignoramus Wrote: Rik,
Kinpin and CL are shaking their heads in disbelief and embarrassment and trying their hardest to distance themselves from you.
Does that not tell you anything about anything?
Rik is not a christian. Rik has a personal relationship with kool aid and Chopra.
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 9:38 am
(August 15, 2015 at 9:18 am)ignoramus Wrote: Very well said Vic. I couldn't have put it better.
You know what? I think you are 100% cured of the disease of religion.
Well done.
Thanks iggy. Fear of death is new to me, now that I actually want to live
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 9:58 am
As with others I don't fear death, I fear the mode of death.
For me the death that I fear the most is the lingering death. Watched 3 grandparents and both my parents go out that way. All related to cancer. Some went through surgery/radiation/chemo with the associated suffering, some denied any treatment but palliative. All did waste away. In the end they lost all of what I would consider human dignity. The ability to walk, talk, think, recognize people, eat, toilet. The list goes on. Things that gave them pleasure were taken away by well intentioned but not thoughtful health care providers. For two the pain was so bad in the end that they were put into a coma and their feeding stopped. Miserable way to end what was their happy fulfilling lives.
Not only did they die a horrible death but it had significant traumatic effect on the people around them. People with family members that die quick experience much less suffering and grief. Coming to terms with a persons lingering death is very painful. There is a constant feeling of hopelessness waiting for death to come.
With that as my fear I've done my research and have a plan for the end times. Everyone should have euthanasia as a choice if it comes to that.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 10:05 am
(August 15, 2015 at 9:16 am)ignoramus Wrote: Rik,
Kinpin and CL are shaking their heads in disbelief and embarrassment and trying their hardest to distance themselves from you.
Does that not tell you anything about anything?
You mean that offensive language is ok if is coming from an atheist but is not ok if come from somebody else?
That is what i call impartiality at his best. 
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 11:07 am
(August 15, 2015 at 9:58 am)mh.brewer Wrote: For me the death that I fear the most is the lingering death. Watched 3 grandparents and both my parents go out that way.
Same with me. With my parents. In a manner of speaking, my father spent three years on Death Row. Knowing what had to come and that the doctors could only do so much to alleviate the pain and to prolong his life a little bit. He did his best for us not to notice, but it was obvious how he felt.
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 11:12 am
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(August 15, 2015 at 9:28 am)Neimenovic Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 9:16 am)ignoramus Wrote: Rik,
Kinpin and CL are shaking their heads in disbelief and embarrassment and trying their hardest to distance themselves from you.
Does that not tell you anything about anything?
Rik is not a christian. Rik has a personal relationship with kool aid and Chopra.
and his posts have a personal relationship with balsamic vinaigrette...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
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RE: Accepting the inevitable
August 15, 2015 at 11:58 am
(August 15, 2015 at 6:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 6:38 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Who let Little Rik out of his enclosure?
My guess is that it is very hard to face the reality of being wrong.
I reckon you speak from personal experience.
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