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Christians/good people
#11
RE: Christians/good people
What a nice loaded question.
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#12
RE: Christians/good people
A. Yes. And I know of devout/practicing Christians who I consider good people.

Just because I may disagree with someone on their religious affiliation, their political views, or what have you, that doesn't mean that I automatically think of them as a bad person.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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#13
RE: Christians/good people
Of course Christians can be good people. They are still people. Smile

I have a couple of devout mom's in my Girl Scout troop, baptists both of them, and they are both very nice people who do well by their families and the community.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?” 
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#14
RE: Christians/good people
Quote:baptists both of them

Too bad they are going to burn in hell for eternity because they aren't catholic.

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Quote:Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846)

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#15
RE: Christians/good people
A.

Up to and until they denigrate my belief or make an attempt at conversion. Then its a short trip to the shit list.
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#16
RE: Christians/good people
Let's say someone is a Christian - a devout, sincere Christian (this test works for any religious affiliation, btw). This person is a good person, by any metrics that matter. They give to charity, help their neighbours, they're active in their community, they don't abuse their kids, and so on. By practically any criteria you can think of, this person qualifies as good.

Then one day, they lose their faith (how they lost it is immaterial ((no pun intended)) ). They odds that this person will start ignoring the poor, snubbing their neighbours and kicking their children are so small as to not be worth considering.

People are good, bad or indifferent in spite of their religious beliefs, not because of them.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#17
RE: Christians/good people
I've known several people who were devout in their faith and who were unquestionably good people. However, I don't think in any case that it was their faith, per se, that made them good.

On a side note, one of my favorite Christians whom I've personally known was this priest in Fargo, ND. I was acquainted with him during the mid to late '80s. He was notable for being heavily involved with Amnesty International and for his involvement with sheltering and, in some cases, trying to smuggle into Canada a number of Salvadorean and Nicurauguan refugees who were fleeing almost certain death at the hands of U.S.-sponsored death squads. He was jailed numerous times for these activities, which he considered a moral duty. The kicker was that he was the brother of North Dakota's then-Governor, which caused the Governor no end of P.R. headaches.
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#18
RE: Christians/good people
(August 26, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: This is your opinion only. Please only vote if you are atheist. Shy

Poll Question:

Is it possible for a person who is a devout/practicing Christian to still be someone who you would consider a good person?

A. Yes. And I know of devout/practicing Christians who I consider good people.

B. Yes. Even though I don't know of any devout/practicing Christians who I consider  good people, I believe in the possibility that they could exist.

C. No. I have never known of any devout/practicing Christians who I would consider good people, and neither do I think it is a possibility for such people to exist.

I consider my grandmother a good person. I just think she's wrong when it comes to religious beliefs. You can disagree with someone, and still think they're good in general. Just ill informed on some subject. I think that's why people come up with a rule that you're not supposed to bring up religion and politics, because some people can get heated about those things.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#19
RE: Christians/good people
(August 26, 2015 at 3:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Let's say someone is a Christian - a devout, sincere Christian (this test works for any religious affiliation, btw).  This person is a good person, by any metrics that matter.  They give to charity, help their neighbours, they're active in their community, they don't abuse their kids, and so on.  By practically any criteria you can think of, this person qualifies as good.

Then one day, they lose their faith (how they lost it is immaterial ((no pun intended)) ).  They odds that this person will start ignoring the poor, snubbing their neighbours and kicking their children are so small as to not be worth considering.

People are good, bad or indifferent in spite of their religious beliefs, not because of them.

Boru

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I'll be there is even a good muslim or two out there if you go by that standard!
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#20
RE: Christians/good people
I know a number of decent people of various religions.

One of the most decent people I've encountered is a Muslim doctor.
Dying to live, living to die.
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