How Long Will Christians Wait for the End Time to Come?

[Minimalist]

My point is simple.

Yes, "simple" describes you adequately.

Grow up, sonny.  There is no invisible sky-daddy watching your sorry ass.

[Rhondazvous]

Your belief system is the big bang and a "primordial soup" that existed after the big bang.  There is no evidence to explain how matter and anti-matter (if anti-matter even exists) came into existence.  Your belief system has no logical explanation for the creation of all matter.  Your belief system is not superior to any religion and it makes you very upset and that is why you attack with insults.  I have notices that atheists are very quick to throw out insults when their belief system is challenged.  Isn't this suppose to what theists do?  I seem to be keeping my cool.  Interesting.

The big bang isn't a belief it is fact

If he knew the difference between a belief system and a fact, he wouldn't be a theist in the first place, now would he.

[Rhondazvous]

Thanks Iro.
I have zero voices in my head or ears.
As I said, come Oct. 1st, if I am in this present body- I am gone from AF.
My hour glass will have all the grains dropped down.
I can take the abuse and suggestions.   No problem.

Promises...promises.

Your promises are as worthless as your fucking god.

What I don't understand is why he thinks he has to wait.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Your belief system is the big bang and a "primordial soup" that existed after the big bang.  There is no evidence to explain how matter and anti-matter (if anti-matter even exists) came into existence.  Your belief system has no logical explanation for the creation of all matter.  Your belief system is not superior to any religion and it makes you very upset and that is why you attack with insults.  I have notices that atheists are very quick to throw out insults when their belief system is challenged.  Isn't this suppose to what theists do?  I seem to be keeping my cool.  Interesting.

Two things:

1) As has been explained to you, atheism, per se, is not a belief system.  If you want to argue against metaphysical naturalism, that's one thing.  But as things stand, you're painting with too broad a brush.

2) With reference to the part of your quote that I bolded, you can't seriously think that Yahweh is a "logical explanation for the creation of all matter".  And if you do, you may be earnest.  You certainly aren't serious.

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There's nothing wrong with admitting ignorance.  We don't know how matter came into existence.  Pretending otherwise with conceptual band-aids like "God" don't add one iota of understanding to the problem.  This really isn't hard to understand, and you should stop pretending you don't get it.

Of course we know how matter comes into existence.  It happens on a continuing basis.  As I wrote before, an educated person knows the answer even if he thinks that he doesn't.  When celestial hydrogen is created in a sufficient amount and clumps together under its own gravity it forms a huge dense ball that goes nuclear.  Over time the hydrogen cooks in the nuclear furnace and forms new elements.  Eventually the star explodes and the residue recyles.

Here's a link that explains most of the process.  http://www.solstation.com/stars/4planets.htm

[Crossless2.0]

And what are my personal beliefs about those things? You're the one hiding behind the word; you've done nothing else but go around telling people what they believe and deriding them for it, instead of asking them. The word is all you know about me.

I suppose "we don't know how matter came into existence" doesn't count as a personal belief -- at least not if one's entire argument hinges on conflating atheism with metaphysical naturalism. It's not easy straw man someone who offers an honest answer to a potentially insoluble question. 

I'm already bored with this one. "Deep Thinker" my ass! A faith that needs such fundamental dishonesty to make a "simple point" isn't worth a plug nickel.

[Rhondazvous]

This is the third time I have said this to you... maybe bigger letters might help:

ATHEISM IS NOT A BELIEF SYSTEM

Anyone spot the clue?

Ooh ooh! Don't tell me. Let me guess. I've got the envelope on my forehead and the answer is coming to me now. Wait. Wait. There it is.

Atheism is not a belief system.

Is that it?

Phew! That was the most enigmatic transmission of secret knowledge I've ever received.

[the great Rhondazvous takes a bow to the roar of a standing ovation]

[Crossless2.0]

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Two things:

1) As has been explained to you, atheism, per se, is not a belief system.  If you want to argue against metaphysical naturalism, that's one thing.  But as things stand, you're painting with too broad a brush.

2) With reference to the part of your quote that I bolded, you can't seriously think that Yahweh is a "logical explanation for the creation of all matter".  And if you do, you may be earnest.  You certainly aren't serious.

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Of course we know how matter comes into existence.  It happens on a continuing basis.  As I wrote before, an educated person knows the answer even if he thinks that he doesn't.  When celestial hydrogen is created in a sufficient amount and clumps together under its own gravity it forms a huge dense ball that goes nuclear.  Over time the hydrogen cooks in the nuclear furnace and forms new elements.  Eventually the star explodes and the residue recyles.

Here's a link that explains most of the process.  http://www.solstation.com/stars/4planets.htm

I don't think Deep Thinker has heavier elements in mind. I suspect he/she is getting at something like "where did the original hydrogen come from", all as a prelude to slipping God through the back door.  I also suspect that Deep Thinker conceives of the Big Bang (damn, I wish we could do away with that phrase) as creation from nothing rather than a change from one state that we can't currently describe to the state we inhabit.

[Esquilax]

My point is quite simple.  Atheists always hide behind a single word when asked to state their beliefs with regards to the origin of matter/life.  Yes, atheism is not a defined belief system but that doesn't mean you, as a human being, are not capable of having an internal belief system as to the origin of matter. 

Why would I go out of my way to take a position on that topic, when we don't currently have evidence sufficient to confirming that position? If we don't have the requisite information then we don't know the answer, and that is the honest position to take; if we don't know, why should I consider myself obligated to take a position anyway?

Atheists always like to attack others for their belief system as it pertains to the origin of matter but they never like to talk about their own beliefs. 

There's a reason for that: those other belief systems lack evidence or justification, yet so often wish to dictate terms for how others live their lives. A belief system formed without evidence, in the absence of evidence, is worthy of attack. Delusions aren't something to be proud of, no matter how one comes across them.

Any belief you have, as it pertains to the origin of life, is not superior to the belief system of a Christian or any other person. 

It is if it's, you know, true. Or if it has evidence... which the christian belief system does not.

There is, and will never be, a natural or scientific explanation for the existence/creation of all matter. 

Oh yes? And how did you determine that?

Isn't it interesting we have the capability to think abstract about the origins of life yet we clearly lack the tools to ever answer the question?  We have not better answer today then we had 6,000 years ago.

Roll back the clock two hundred years and you could say the same thing about space travel, go back even further and you could say it about thunder and lightning. Your current ignorance is not an excuse to proclaim questions unanswerable. One thing history has shown us clearly is that it's never smart to bet against the future.

 

The big bang is nice theory expect there is absolutely no explanation for what created matter prior to the big bang.

How do you have a "prior" to the creation of time? Are you even listening to yourself when you talk?

[Rhondazvous]

Another insult from an atheist....shocking.  Rather than have an interesting discussion you choose to insult.

Instead you could just look at the answer I have given to one of your explicit questions. If it isn't too much of an effort.

Instead he could look at the back button and maybe even click it. Would save us all an effort.
I'm sick of these Xtians hi-jacking my threads taking them all off topic with their none sense that's not even about nothing. How did we go from discussing the end times to whether or not atheism is a belief system? That's not even tangentially relevant.

Hit the road, Jack. And don't you come back no more no kore no more no more

[abaris]

I'm sick of these Xtians hi-jacking my threads taking them all off topic with their none sense that's not even about nothing.

What do you expect? You're virtually laying out flypaper attracting them.