I'm still an atheist, but...

[Randy Carson]

Ha Way to pounce on someone with the balls (See: honesty) to admit when he's wrong. It's clear you don't run into that often in your circles or else you'd know how to handle it besides with hostility.

Don't ask questions if you're not prepared for the answers Randy. I tried to credit you with some interesting things, but you've denied those.

Thanks Exian Yes, when I make a mistake, I'm happy to admit it. It seems I misinterpreted or my memory let me down.

Ha Way to pounce on someone with the balls (See: honesty) to admit when he's wrong. It's clear you don't run into that often in your circles or else you'd know how to handle it besides with hostility.

Heh...my take is that rob was being sarcastic when he said, "OK, I got that wrong then."

Hence my response.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're wrong. Inquiring minds want to know...

We posted almost simultaneously, so let me respond this way:

rob, if you were being sincere in saying that you were in error then I completely misinterpreted your post.

I was wrong, and I apologize to you and to Exian for my error.

[robvalue]

No problem Thanks.

[Exian]

Oh yeah, I can see that being a sarcastic response, but it coming from rob, I was pretty sure it was sincere. No worries.

[Jenny A]

Well, this has been an interesting exercise.

It appears a primarily egotistical one.  Or were you trying to figure out what arguments work?  If so, you might have framed the question more generally.  Something along the lines of, have you ever heard an argument for god that gave you any pause?

Based on the comments received, I conclude one of the following must be true:
1. I have never posted a single "good point". (Not one? Ever? This is patently absurd.)

Quite possible as truly good arguments for god are very thin on the ground.

2. I have posted good points but they have gone over the heads of the respondents to this thread. (I think this may be true of many forum members.)

Yes, well.  Many of us feel the same about the counter arguments made to you.  They appear to fly over your head.  Next?

3. I have posted good points but no one is willing to publicly admit this in front of their friends here in the forum. (I think this is true of the majority.)

I rather doubt that.

(Saying "we've heard it all before" is not a relevant response since I did not ask whether you thought I had posted anything original but whether I had posted anything that you judged to be a good argument.)

Highly relevant as the arguments you have posted have been argued to death on this forum and attributing them as a good arguments posted by you would be silly.

Feel free to insert your own objections, inadequate rebuttals, etc. in the space below. (I probably won't believe you since it's not likely you were honest originally.)

Projecting a little?

[Longhorn]

No, Randy. I actually don't honestly see any good argument for god at all. That's why I'm a fucking atheist. DUH.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I am still an atheist, and there are no buts.

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I beg to differ.

I noticed the double post, was going to delete one, butt thought better of it.


[Thanks much for the video, Beccarocks!  Baby sure got back.]

Boy howdy, that there's an onion.

[Spooky]

Randy Carson, I'm curious, have you gained any information from this thread?

[Esquilax]

(Saying "we've heard it all before" is not a relevant response since I did not ask whether you thought I had posted anything original but whether I had posted anything that you judged to be a good argument.)

If we've heard it all before and are still atheists, isn't it reasonable to conclude that we've also recognized the problems with the arguments we've heard before, which therefore cannot be good arguments?

Feel free to insert your own objections, inadequate rebuttals, etc. in the space below. (I probably won't believe you since it's not likely you were honest originally.)

How did you determine we weren't honest? You empower yourself to just dictate to us our own positions so often, but when it comes to offering more than just the bare assertion, when you're actually asked to support your intimations, you never do. You seem to just want to discount what everyone says by fiat, but surely you can see how transparently self serving all these baseless accusations of malevolence really are?

[Ravenshire]

Well, this has been an interesting exercise.

Based on the comments received, I conclude one of the following must be true:

1. I have never posted a single "good point". (Not one? Ever? This is patently absurd.)
2. I have posted good points but they have gone over the heads of the respondents to this thread. (I think this may be true of many forum members.)
3. I have posted good points but no one is willing to publicly admit this in front of their friends here in the forum. (I think this is true of the majority.)

(Saying "we've heard it all before" is not a relevant response since I did not ask whether you thought I had posted anything original but whether I had posted anything that you judged to be a good argument.)

Feel free to insert your own objections, inadequate rebuttals, etc. in the space below. (I probably won't believe you since it's not likely you were honest originally.)

You better stick with #1 Randy. Even if you think it's absurd, I don't see anyone rushing to your defense here.

[Spooky]